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My friend is an Elise owner and i always remember him telling me "The funniest thing about the car is when you pull up next to a Miata at a stop light. The driver will always look over and then get this kind of sad expression on their face."
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04-19-2020, 07:54 PM | #140 | |
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04-25-2020, 11:17 AM | #141 | |
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Im familiar with what you're talking about with health stores and supplements, and being in the field myself, I love a good marketing discussion. The difference between the two is that health stores rely on the placebo effect, which is well known publicly. AWD vs. RWD can be tested in many specific use cases, scientifically to rule out any placebo effects, or the influence of the halo effect. Do people get overconfident due to the feature? Absolutely. Does it discount the feature? Absolutely not. People HATE wearing seatbelts and helmets, that doesnt rule out that its been scientifically proven to increase your odds of surviving a collision, exponentially. As far as the trend towards SUVs, thats another one thats been well known in the industry for years. It came about when minivans struggled in sales. It was proven that women as a demographic felt "safer" in SUVs, regardless of the fact that roll-overs were an issue that was prevalent as a risk ONLY in this vehicle class. conventional wisdom/common knowledge is a little different from driver's overconfidence in their vehicle due to safety features..which is why you see memes passed around that say "your car is all wheel drive/4 wheel drive, not all wheel braking" since so many of our vehicles exist with brakes on only one axle |
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04-25-2020, 01:12 PM | #142 | |
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From the memory files. I recall back a few decades doing a focus group and testing copy that referenced "McPherson struts". Back then, this design feature was touted a lot in marketing. I recall, almost exclusively men, hearing some respondents brag that their car had "McPherson struts". When challenged to explain what that meant and what it did for them, much backpeddling or silence usually followed. This human behavior has not disappeared...it just moves on to new topics over time. As of today, some health department was reporting that they already had 100+ calls asking whether drinking Clorox would really prevent COVID-19. Humans are highly suggestible and gullible, given the right stimulus. Challenging winters? More torque than 2 tires can put down? Circumstances like that certainly advocate for an AWD system of some sort. For others, the value is far more questionable versus the negatives. The bigger problem may be those who purchase with low information and then think they have an all-situation panacea on the road...and then skip winter tires, for example.
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04-25-2020, 05:58 PM | #145 |
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Here, not so much. Our local dealers stock 107 AWD and 4 RWD. The four RWD are RWD-only; otherwise, I imagine they'd be AWD, too.
Louisville is pretty much the same at 106 AWD and 4 RWD. They get around the same 12-inch winters we get, so that makes sense. Now Nashville, that's a completely different story. With only 4 inches on average, they split 167 AWD / 116 RWD.
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Brembo brakes can be used similarly as the struts. You can get buick regals with brembo brakes on them now. They are a selling point, but not the overall deciding factor. I dont believe that people were making purchase decisions based solely on brembo brakes, or macpherson struts. the "why it sells" would come and go at this point, if it was indeed irrelevant, in the same way that you dont hear much about macpherson struts anymore. I think we're ultimately saying the same thing. Did awd vehicle sales get boosted by the halo effect, and overconfidence inspired by the premise of safety? Very much so. Is AWD marketing hype? at this point, I dont believe so..and the proof exists to back it. Safety AND performance both stand to benefit. The m5 with xdrive speaks for itself. |
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I personally think the popularity of the internal combustion engine was a marketing conspiracy. Horse drawn carriages were just fine! On snow, on ice, on grass... yup, will do the trick! |
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I think we do agree and yes, the M5 does indeed. As we also agreed, 1) challenging low traction environments (safety) or 2) powertrains delivering more than tires can effectively put down (performance) both benefit. If outside these conditions, the majority of retail sales have a different cost/benefit situation. But, that is only the technical reality. I think our conversation evolved to talk about most non-enthusiast, mass-market buyers making decisions in the absence of understanding the actualities and relying on "what they've heard". That is likely harmless (other than financially) until they then also believe that AWD is a panacea and substitutes for proper tires for condition #1. Then, the final domino in the series that marketing initiated can result in real harm.
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Anyway, come snowy icy days, the Infiniti forums get littered with posts to the tune of "Guyz, I am coming from a Subaru/Audi and my Infiniti scared me today!!! It was like a tankslapper!!! I thought I was going to be in the ditch!!! Is this AWD??? Does AWD work in this car??? " |
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