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I laugh at myself and my winter driving "pussification" when I think back to my 5 years of living in Lawrence, KS which has steep hills throughout and I was driving my 1994 Z28 in the snow with 255 width all seasons. I never got stuck. Kitty litter helped me get around when I couldn't quite get going on a hill. My roommate had a 1990 LX 5.0 Stang on all seasons and we called it Snow Cat. It never got stuck and went places it shouldn't.
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09-10-2019, 05:22 PM | #24 | |
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My sales mgr asked me if I plan to autocross, track the car, drag race it or push the car to it's extremes. I said probably not. He said get the all seasons, the car will still be a rocket, it will handle better in the rain (which get plenty of in Florida) and you'll likely get 3 times the mileage of the Perf tires. I took his recommendation and do not regret it one bit. The car handles great, is fast as hell and I don't have to worry about what weather I happen to encounter. I acknowledge I do not have the driving ability to get the maximum out of the car regardless if it's equipped with AS or Perf tires. If you fancy yourself a speed racer and track or competitively race your car, get the perf tires and buy an extra set of wheels and all season tires. Ideally you shouldn't be running the stock wheels anyway if you are concerned about performance as they are boat anchors. Get the best perf tires and the lightest wheels you can afford. Put the all seasons on the stock wheels for the cold weather days. |
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Not sure if this matters ... but if you order with the all season tires the speed of the car will forever be limited to 130 rather than 150 (155?) if you ordered it with the summer tires.
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I'm in Seattle and it's wet 6+ months a year here. UHP Summer tires are better than A/S tires in both dry and wet conditions in every handling situation, other than in road conditions with snow/ice.
Many people misunderstand what A/S tires are for. A/S tires are not superior to Summer tires in wet conditions, it's quite the opposite. The only reason for A/S tires if if you frequently see below 40F temps. A/S tires are purely a compromise that allow someone that doesn't want to have two sets of wheels/tires to drive in a safe manner in snow/icy conditions but winter/snow tires would be better suited for those conditions. I prefer to have Summer tires year round and if it's well below 40 then I'll wait till weather improves before driving. |
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I'm a fan of my Pirelli Winter Sottozero S3
definitely a relatively snow-biased performance tyre (e.g. compared to the more performance-oriented Pirelli Winter Sottozero Serie-II). But I'd concede that for the worst snow conditions there are probably better choices, like the Nokian above. What is particularly good about the S2 is the resistance to hydroplaning - much better than any other winter I've had. But probably no surprise, given the obviously high proportion of contact patch that is carrying deep drainage channels. Yes, this at the cost of dry handling but terrific in heavy rain and standing water.
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09-12-2019, 09:43 AM | #35 |
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09-12-2019, 10:12 AM | #36 | |
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I had planned on getting a square set of OZ Ultraleggera rims and the lightest set of tires I could to eliminate as much unstrung weight as possible. I did this with my Mini Cooper S and it made a noticeable improvement in performance and handling. Square set up allows for a tire rotation if you are so inclined. After living with the M240i for a while, adding another set of wheels and tires to a car that I never race or track seemed like a waste of money since the car is so quick as is. With a tune, the car is a beast and can quickly become a handful if you're not careful. It is very easy to get caught up in "on paper performance and specifications". I see this continually on other forums. No amount of HP is ever enough even though many cars cannot adequately use the HP they have. For most of us, the extremes these specifications represent we will never actually realize as long as we own the car. Originally I did not realize that going AS affected my Top speed or squared the wheels and tires. I was upset thinking somehow my car was going to be less than others. The actual difference in rear tire size can only be determined if you lay down with a tape measure and look for the less than 1 inch difference. You will never be able to tell otherwise. The top speed difference is pretty much "moot", even if you drag race the car. If you race or track the car and have the room to see speeds over 130MPH, then for sure, you'll want the staggered set up. Otherwise the difference is only forum of coffee shop talk. Oh, forgot to mention the piece of mind having a RF tire that can get you to a service station in the event you pick up a nail. I have a very bad back so using a plug/slime kit or changing a tire on the roadside is out of the question for me. |
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There's a M235 that parks next to me at work. It has the 225/40R18 square P7 setup. I run a square 245/35R18 Michelin Pilot 4S setup. That car looks like it's on it's tip toes in comparison to the setup I have. Quote:
Runflats have a very bad reputation on this site for blowing out when hitting big potholes. The ultra stiff sidewalls simply don't do well when hitting sharp pavement cuts. You don't hear about that issue with those running standard tires other than some noting they got a sidewall bubble when hitting a big pothole. What good does a runflat do you if it has a large tendency to blow out
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I ordered mine with the AS tires because the dealer said the sport were not available. Swapping out to new wheels / tires was the one change I made to the car. I found the handling with the 225 AS was just not great. The backend with the 225 ASs was pretty squirrelly. I really wish now I'd gotten the staggered sport tires and saved what it cost to have them replaced. I got PILOT SPORT PS2 225/40ZR18 front, 255/35ZR18, rear. They seem to actually handle better on a wet road (and I've read this in evaluations). If you actually want / need snow tires, the AS aren't really suitable for that purpose.
Having "made the mistake" I really couldn't recommend to anyone to get the All Season tires with a M240i, or even why BMW put them on this model at all. They don't seem to be able to handle the power this engine can send to them - they are way too narrow and they aren't really meant for "All" seasons (snow). Perhaps if you lived in a place remote enough that having run flats would be needed perhaps. If I thought I could make space for it, I'd put one of the 225s in there as a spare. I've saved them in case I ever want snow tires, but not sure I'd ever use them unless I wanted to drive out to Tahoe. |
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Depends what you do with the car. I don't track and I've been fine for years, now on 225/45-17 PS4S. I do have a lightweight configuration and the car handles extremely well in enthusiastic daily driving with this set-up. I don't really care about tire aesthetics, if that is part of your concern.
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It's just too narrow for the car's power and weight. (3680 lb for M240 Xdrive) 225 would be ok for 228/230 but not for 235/240. |
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I suggest spec'ing the summer tires for the higher speed limit that is coded at the factory. Then, promptly replace with all-seasons for safety in the sub 45 temps and save the summer tires for a 2nd set of wheels purchased at a later time. You'll definitely want the stickier rubber once the weather starts to warm up again. Or just sell the PSS to recoup funds and worry about a summer/track-only wheel set down the road. If you simply can't be bothered with seasonal wheel changes, just go with all-seasons year-round. Safety should be first. I learned my lesson with my old WRX w/ summer tires during a North Carolina winter "storm." Barely any snow on the ground and not that cold, but I skated right through a 4-way stop. I was lucky.
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