[bryan_G01]

Anyone running P ZERO TROFEO R - on track and street?
Lot's of raving reviews on these tires from the guys running Hooked on Driving clinics.

Any reviews?

I used to run starspec for rain/wet days.

Used Pilot Sport Cup's as summer tires and weekend track tires. Besides not lasting long and not working in the water/ rain / or under 60f, they were fantastic tires.

When I belted the cups, I switched to Pilot Super Sport tires and they were pretty good as a street tire that worked on a track.

Pilot Sport Cup 2 look interesting, but not looking forward to dropping 2g on tires every year.

Now i can also bring up the BFG's, the Nitto's, the Hoosier's, bimmerworld Conti scrubs, etc.. but lets try to keep it simple.

Just looking for a great summer tire that will allow me to get 4-5 hpde's in, and not trying to spend 2k on tires alone.

What are you running and why did you like or dislike them?

[Transfer]

I ran NT05 on my M3 for summer and 4 track days in 2013. They could have done 1-2 more days as well. They're not quite NT01s on the track but I liked them a lot and they're very streetable. Turn in is unbeatable, sidewall is responsive, and overall grip when warmed up is excellent and better than PSS by far. They're cheap too. Only downsides I saw were they were bad in wet and they run narrow. They even look great.

[ocN55]

Hankook RS3 or RE71R are great options for you. Do not daily drive on these tires though, they will be worn before you know it.

[pikcachu]

I have 245-40-27 RE-71R square setup as a dedicated set and they are pretty good...
Don't have much to compare them too but they have better grip than the PSS but they are louder.

RS3, Direzza Star spec, and RE-71R seem like popular choices

The Trofeo R is a full r-spec tire I believe... I wouldn't use it as a daily driver... treadwear is 60 where the RE-71R is 200... they will wear faster than you say Trofeo

[jaboyd]

RE-71s are great tires, especially for the track. Also work well as a very grippy summer tire but they are on the noisy side ....like the old Drizza Stars.....tradeoff tire wear.

If you can still find them in the correct size the prior RE11 or RE11A were a great street/track tire. The RE71 has better overall grip but the RE11A or RE11 were a better
street/occasional track tire. They have very good wet characteristics and will out wear PSS in track or very aggressive street use and ride/drive nearly as well. I got between 10-15k mi per set depending on type of driving.


http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....XLV2&tab=Sizes

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

I have 245-40-27 RE-71R square setup

Thats a pretty big tire

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by bryan_e90

Thats a pretty big tire

lol ups ... meant 17

[Liquidpaper]

I had a set of Star Spec 2's. Loved them, and they lasted about 10k miles and a lot of track thrashing. Only issue was that they were very, very loud on the highway.

I moved over to Hankook RS-3 V2's. A bit quieter, still grip very well (and I got a really, really good deal on them).

If you are not terribly concerned with comfort, go for the RS-3/Direzzas/RE-71's. The grips is phenomenal. However, if you have inclement weather concerns (rain -- SoCal has none) and don't really want a lot of noise, I think the RE-11's are a nice pick.

In any event, most of the tires in this discussion will do just fine, even the super-sports. However, you need to get some camber in the front otherwise no tire will last very long.

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

I have 245-40-27 RE-71R square setup as a dedicated set and they are pretty good...
Don't have much to compare them too but they have better grip than the PSS but they are louder.

What do you think of 245 - 40 - 18 on RAIJIN's on re-71r or pss square on stock height?

How have the RE-71rs been holding up for you? Think i can get 5 hpde's and a full summer on them?

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by bryan_e90

What do you think of 245 - 40 - 18 on RAIJIN's on re-71r or pss square on stock height?

How have the RE-71rs been holding up for you? Think i can get 5 hpde's and a full summer on them?

the 18's are going to make your rolling diameter too big... that's why the 17's are pretty good match for 245-40

2.45% in the front http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php...et2=52#content
3.75% in the rear http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php...et2=52#content

usually anything over 1.5% is not recommended, might even screw with the DSC as it might see wheels spinning at different speeds
I think for 18's you should do 245-35

I have 3 HPDE on the RE-71R and have about 75% left on them, pretty good. But only use them on the track.
The RE-71R are noisier, also never used the PSS with camber on the track to compare, but the time I used the PSS without the camber, the front shoulders almost vaporized and I don't think they are even close to the RE-71R... the RE-71R seem more grippy so brakes and turn faster.... having said that not sure I can stand the noise for daily driving....

PSS is a good compromise, the best for the street, and not bad for the track
RE-71R is not so good for the street, but best for the track

[Joe731]

Hoosiers anyone? Anyone running Hoosiers?

[Nugget]

Advan AD08R.
I have run them for years and love them.
Very durable and grippy on track.

[bryan_G01]

wow this is an old thread someone dug up.

I can add some insight to what has ocured since this post aired.


For wheels i had the rajins, now on apex ec7's and staggered. I ran square 235/40/18 for 2 years on dinan springs, bumpstops, camber plates.

I have ran the MPSS, re71rs, nt01, nt05, DSW06, and the oem run flats...


For street, the mpss give the most grip, but i like the DSW06 (DWS06?) because it holds much grip but releases in a controlled way thats very predictable. I use these on stock wheels as my fall/winter setup. 225/40/18 setup.

For track, go with re71r. Tire is great, grips like a nt01 without the noise. Same times practically between nt01 and re71r. Car setup is always changing so cant compare 1:1. Re71rs ar on my apex now, 225/40/18 front, 255,35,18 rear.

Get off the runflats as soon as you can. Horrible ride quality, shitty made tire. If you get a blow out, have roadside get you, thats why you pay for insurance. I had the run flat sidewall separate on me while driving high speeds. Could have really been bad.

[capt_and]

To provide additional input for anybody else that may stumble upon this thread, the best setup for me has been:

18x9.5 et35 plus 5mm spacer
18x9.5 et 58 plus 8mm spacer

Camber front -3.5
Camber rear -2.2
Toe out front 1/16"
RE71R 265/35-18 all corners

Warning: This set up WILL rub and rolling of fenders is needed. For a rub free fitment, you can always go 9" wide wheels all 4 corners and run 255/35/18 instead.

Or, if you're like me and want to go crazy with it, get the widebody from the m235i racing and be able to fit 11" wheels on all 4 corners.

[AKPAB]

And I'll add my $0.02:

For auto-x:
I have Dinan camber plates (either I don't hear them or they aren't that noisy).
Front: 18x8.5 ET 42 plus 12 mm spacer, 255/35/18 RE-71
Rear: 18x8.5 ET 42 plus 5 mm spacer, 255/35/18 RE-71

Front camber: -2.5, zero toe
Rear camber: -2.2, 1/16 total toe in

Absolutely no rubbing. Previously ran Hoosier A7 in 245/35/18 square on same wheels as above (Apex Arc-8). No rubbing with the spacers. Car just couldn't seem to take advantage of the Hoosiers (which were rather balloon-ey on the wheels, and wider than the 255 RE-71).

With some camber and the right wheel offset, you can easily fit a 18x9 on the front. I'm wishing I had done so.

I daily drive, so hesitant to put more front camber, but then again, I might want to put 3 degrees for the heck of it.

In terms of feel, grip, turn-in: RE-71>A7>>>>MPSS

Frankly, I find the stock staggered MPPS to be, well, sub optimal. I continue to run them on the street due to the RE-71 wear rate, but I'll be thinking about something else when it's time to replace them.

[230iZTR]

Originally Posted by AKPAB

With some camber and the right wheel offset, you can easily fit a 18x9 on the front. I'm wishing I had done so.

What are the specs to fit a 9" for F/R offset (&/or spacers) and camber minimums? I feel like I've looked all over the site and most people either stay conservative on a square 8.5-et35 with 235's or go all-in to fit 265's on mixed offset 9.5-et30/50 at 3.5°+ with rolled fenders.