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Oh boy oh boy oh boy - this is going to get amusing soon.
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I see no need to pile discourtesy on discourtesy but it did seem that the moderator, if they are one, was a bit rude, which is a bit naff.
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A good demonstration of why more power in the same chassis doesn’t necessarily make a better car can be demonstrated by Caterham. In the current model range the entry level car has 160bhp per tonne, the top 620bhp per tonne, with all cars weighing close to 500kg. The general consensus in the community is that 360bhp per tonne is the best balanced performance point, the entry level car car be the most fun with its standard skinny tyres and the most powerful car can be exhilarating, dangerous and wearing all at the same time.
There was a model variant a few years ago called the Caterham Levante, which had a 2.4 litre V8 with 550bhp and weighed 520kg for 1074bhp per tonne. The Levante is fast, tricky to drive and has generally lost the handling balance of the less powerful models, losing a lot of the fun and feel to replace it only with speed. From a track performance perspective, unless you have long straights it is difficult to predict which Caterham will be faster when you get above 400bhp per tonne, as the more powerful cars can be slower through the corners due to compromised balance and handling and may not regain lost time with extra power on the straights. |
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Wasn't me ... mine's pretty easy to spot since there aren't many 718s around: gloss black wheels.
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The quote was about a different vehicle, but could be applied to the 230's or 240's as well.
Obviously, the 240 is going to be faster at the track, and superior based upon purely performance based metrics. The differences become much smaller in normal day-to-day driving, especially on congested roads - and the 230 probably has slightly better gas mileage. I based my purchase decision on how I will use the car. From a resale value, the 230 (with the options I picked), probably wasn't the best choice - but I intend to keep the car for a number of years, and it made sense to me - the person who will be driving it.
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Personally, I can afford either but I'm going with the 4 cylinder. The engine placement, balance, and handling characteristics all seem to indicate that it's the better choice for me according to some actual track enthusiasts and instructors I've spoken to.
The 4 cylinder also seems to be lighter than advertised according to a couple of weigh-ins. HP isn't just a number, weight isn't just a number. It's a really simplistic layman's view to break it down to a single distillation of surface data. It reminds me of teenagers who think they know it all from just a tiny sliver of knowledge. Its like the phrase, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. |
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As for performance and handling, let's do this by the numbers shall we? HP: 335 vs 248, M240i wins by 35% Torque: 369 vs 259, M240i wins by 43% Curb Weight MT: 3499 vs 3342, 230i wins by 5% Balance (MT): 52.4/47.6, 4.8% diff vs 50.1/49.9, 0.2% diff, 230i wins by 5% Skidpad: I've seen tests where the M230i edges out the M240i by maybe 2%, so 230i wins by 2%. These are what I can think of and it appears the M240i is an overwhelming win. Plus when you option the 230i with M-sport + THP, which is already on the M240i, the difference in price is only $4K. I want to argue the M240i is also the better value, but the lower fuel economy makes it kind of a wash money-wise. Now onto this "Quality" thing you keep bringing up. Handling is a part of it which is already covered above. I'd also submit that the I-6 is smoother and sounds so much better than the 4. Others are just more diplomatic than I am. Also the 328i/330i outsells the M235i/M240i by a wide margin so you'd see more of it on the track, and proves nothing. |
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