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This turned out to be a good thread, that surprisingly stayed on topic for the most part
Thanks for all the responses. The Porsche coldness I referred to in my first post is more due to the condescending attitude of the brand. When I ask why an oil change is $400 and they tell me the technicians are super highly trained and expensive. (Yet they manage to scratch my seat) Or the fact that they now charge for PEC delivery (=PCD for bmw). And their infotainment is garbage (yes, even the 991.2). On the flip side every interaction I had with BMW has been an orgy. European delivery, Spartanburg visits, UDE events, etc. Which brings me to my point....feel like giving up the E46 would be giving up BMW. Both the Civic and the challenger would be the most sensible and practical choices to replace it, however the 240 would be the tru spiritual successor. Honestly, if I was still shopping for the 911 I would just get an M4 and call it a day. [5 minutes later] Daaamn the drive home from work in the 911 was so awesome today! It was raining hard and coming down the hill on a twisty parkway, and I was pushing it relentlessly....felt like I was riding a cannonball. Last edited by drivethemachine; 11-08-2017 at 07:00 AM.. |
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Just to tempt y'all on this board ...
... this is Alli from the front: And Alli from the back: And this is a thread with some pics from that PEC Atlanta trip I mentioned earlier on 718Forum.com.
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If I may: PCM4 (Porsche Communication Management: Porsche's equivalent to iDrive) is eons better than its predecessors. The 911s didn't get PCM4 until sometime in the 2017 model year. Seriously: I'd revisit it again. (FYI: All 718s have PCM4. It was introduced in Macans in 2016; the 718s were the second model to receive it).
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Personally, I'd love to have a Porsche parked next to my Mini in the garage. They are awesome cars but pricing and the elite-ism in virtually everything associated w/ the car, maintenance and repair of the product turns me off.
Yes, they are world class cars but for the average buyer (me) tough to justify initial cost and then the expense of ownership. I also love the Ferrari F12 and others, but the same applies to even a greater degree. Price a quart of "Ferrari" oil. At my income level I would be afraid to drive the car for fear of it breaking or getting damaged on the road. Price the base Cayman S, nicely loaded (auto, nice stereo and nav -like the M240i) for $60 K and maintenance @ around $120 for oil changes, and I'd be on one. Configure an S like the M240i and your at $85K. I drool every time I see a Cayman. But for me the M240i is a rather happy "settle for" car. When you hear talk of the German performance car brands you'll generally hear Porsche, BMW and Mercedes mentioned. So I'd say if you own a BMW, you are in good company. Of the three manufacturers mentioned, BMW seems to provide the most bang for the buck, and in their line of cars, the 2 series shines the brightest (IMO). |
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There are deals to be had. Our deal was a crazy fluke. I found a clerical error in the online price for our Boxster S, and the dealer honored it.
It basically covered the delta between the base and the S (about $10k). All in all, our fully loaded 718s was only about $20k more than our 240. And it's easily twice the car in performance. That said, I love the 240 (especially after the MLSD install) and it is extremely easy to live with. Just practical enough to cover most car needs, and fun enough to make every trip a pleasure. The 240 is my DD; spouse drives the Boxster. And we have an X5 for days the Porsche should stay in the garage (it's on summer tires; I've got all-seasons on the 2.) And yes, the tech in the Porsche is head and shoulders ahead of the last iteration. Spouse even prefers its interface to our 2016 X5 (pre-Car Play).
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Besides that, the admittedly-gorgeous Cayman is an attention whore, whereas I'd rather drive a de-badged sleeper. I'd rather sit a few inches higher and with more glass, both for better sightlines. And I couldn't even spec a moonroof on a Cayman. The Cayman is the better car, in most respects. The M240i, however, is the better one for ME.
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This reminded me of emergency room visit I had once.....I asked for 1 Tylenol pill (I was already inside a hospital without a car) and they sent me a thousand dollar bill, I asked wtf, and they said we are highly skilled professionals
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A Cayman S is high on my list for my next car. I still want to improve on my M235 though and I'm glad to hear that P car owners are saying the M235/M240 are good cars in comparison. My biggest gripe with my M235 (still stock engine wise), is the general lack of traction (even with well treaded MPSS tires), the open diff, and somewhat disconnected shock and/or spring tuning. I'll be adding an LSD soon but I really wish someone would develop some stiffer, near OEM ride height springs. With those two mods, I think the car would be elevated substantially. To me, it feels like BMW intentionally handicapped with car to keep it off the heals of the M2.
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Dunno, maybe leave things as they are, since there is a gap (at least on paper) between the M240i and M2 and a gap between the M2 and the M3/4 cars. |
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Sure after a day at the track in that mindset I am sure - perhaps not so much once back to real life.
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The m235i is so close in performance to the M2 on paper, all it takes is a fraction more skill to make the m235i faster, since it's a little harder to keep tame at the limit due to damping and softer bushings. Driver mod will always do more than a "better" or more "capable" car. Mods to the m235i only enhance the driving experience and allow the car to be more capable, at speeds. Replacing the car you are comfortable in already, is not always the best route. Hence the OP's consideration of returning to the 2.. The Caymen is in another league of performance and price, not going there, lol
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For OP, yes if going to one car the 2 makes sense. But to go along with a 911? I don't know man, argue all you want about driving dynamics but two cars that are coupes, tiny back seats, etc. probably not the way most of us would tie up our cash. Again, not track day. Real world.
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I too am thinking of coming back to the 2series. I currently have a 2016 Mercedes CLA45. The ride is just so stiff for daily driving. I'm sick of the crashing on every bump.
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There wasn't another car immediately available, so not wanting to lose out on my track time, I said let's stick with the car. It didn't take long before he also noticed the real cause of the problem.
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To each their own, but I don't see anything wrong with the 228i aside from a little bit of power lost in the 2 missing cylinders. It's virtually the same car, imo. It probably feels a lot better in turn than the 6cyl counterpart, I'm sure. I can appreciate the light front end of a 4cyl vs 6cyl going from the VR6 to the 1.8T's.
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