10-25-2016, 11:15 PM | #45 |
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Wow I just read through a large portion of that F30 N20 thread. The 2 series had the same engine, has anyone run into that problem yet?
Also has anyone heard how the reliability on the new turbo 4 engine was for the years that its been in the Minis? |
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10-26-2016, 12:04 AM | #46 |
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I've pretty much eliminated the 228i as an option now after reading so many issues with N20. It would be more than suited for me, but I rather pay more and have a lower risk of catastrophic failures.
So basically my search now is for 2015 or 2016 M235i, M/T. I saw one last weekend and it was gone in 2 days. It will probably take months until I find another one at a good price. |
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10-26-2016, 08:04 AM | #47 |
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I haven't had one issue with my N20 in almost 40K miles.
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I ended up with IS for reliability reasons, even wanted to get ISF as well, but prices are sky high on them because of "Lexus Reliability" |
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10-26-2016, 11:13 AM | #50 | ||
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10-26-2016, 11:26 AM | #51 | |
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Same with M235i. These life-time fluids is a nightmare. I called my BMW dealer and they dont even want to do any of them. |
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10-26-2016, 12:31 PM | #53 |
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I'm only at about 8k miles and 11 months on my 228, but absolutely no problems. I do plan to look into extended warranty, because even 'routine' stuff is mind-roastingly expensive.
Your thinking about reliability goes counter to what I've always believed (and much comes from friends who routinely trade and repair). If an MT is what you want, go for it, but don't buy one for reliability (and get a chem test of the trans oil to look for metal, if you do). Manual trannies are more reliable IF you are the one using them, but they are vulnerable to the "money-shift" and misuse. The potential for operator error means that you can do much more damage than you can to an automatic, and much of this can be hidden and not show until later (engine, as well as tranny). This is compounded by the low number of people who know how to drive stick who might use it, and it can just take one bad ride (girlfriend borrows it, bonehead at the dealership has to move it on the lot, valet parking, even those early test drives). Especially when an MT car is put up for sale early, it raises suspicions. On the plus side, I hear they are harder to sell used, so you should be able to get them to come down on price. |
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The 2 Series is the most reliable car in its class. For three years in a row. This is from Consumer Reports, which not only gathers survey data on problems, but culls repair statistics and factors that in. Keep in mind that '2 Series' includes cars with both the N20 (228i) and N55 (M235i) engines. Furthermore, the J.D. Power and Associates Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) rating give the 2 Series a "Better Than Most" rating for 2016 and an "About Average" rating for 2014-15 models. The rating is against all production cars; not just those in its class. This falls in line with CR's data. OP, please stop emphasizing forums as a gauge for reliability. It is as skewed a cross-section as you'll find for any car (as my anecdote with the Lexus CT in the post above demonstrates), not just ours. Nearly as unreliable is the other answers in this thread, but those answers do provide a basis for what the statistical data forms above bear out, which is this: You cannot buy a more reliable car in this class than the 2 Series. Period. End of discussion. :: drops mic ::
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I'm not talking about any single person in particular, but it has been scientifically proven by those much smarter than me that people, in general, behave that way.
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10-26-2016, 02:10 PM | #56 |
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I have a 2016 228i with the N26 engine. Had to get my ZF8 tranny replaced under warranty at about 6K miles. It was making a whining/winding up noise when accelerating at lower gears. Seems like an isolated issue though based on my SA, and everything has been fine for the last 1500 miles since the replacement.
No other issues though other than the fact that the car was built without the factory standard alarm system. BMW NA sent me a check for that though. |
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10-26-2016, 02:25 PM | #57 |
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Lots of manufacturers slip a lemon through now and then. This sounds like one of them. No panic here. I was thinking of the 100k warranty only because I keep my cars for long time.
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10-26-2016, 05:00 PM | #59 |
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N20 15 Months no issues!
I have had my N20 228i for 14 months, 10,000 miles with no issues at all. I did purchase an extended warranty but that was because of all of the electronics on the car. I am expecting the engine and transmission to be rock solid! Better be for $45k!!!
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10-26-2016, 11:18 PM | #62 | |
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Basically every time I accelerated, I could hear a slightly high pitched whining noise in the background from 2500RPM and above. It kinda sounded like the turbo spooling, but a bit different sound. Sorta like in older cars when there is interference with the speakers when accelerating. Hard to describe. It was really noticeably with windows up and radio off, and especially in 1st and 2nd gear, but hard to tell where it's coming from. SA compared with a similar vehicle to make sure the sound wasn't normal. He initially thought it might be from the audio system, but turned out to be the tranny. If your hearing a noise and your sure it isn't the turbo, would recommend taking it in to get it looked at. |
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10-27-2016, 06:36 AM | #63 |
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Similar to the whine you get when reversing?
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10-27-2016, 12:29 PM | #65 |
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Depends who's sitting next to you...
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