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Bmw isnt going to slap a lsd on a 235 and call it a m2...looking at the m3/4 pricing we can assume the m2 will be priced @ mid $50k. You add lsd to the m235 and your just $7k off from an M2. But Im just guessing, the m2 might price at $60k
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This differential offers partial lockup. I would assume an M2 would have a better diff as well.
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Assuming it gets a similar differential to the M3/4, the M2 differential will be significantly different from the M performance differential. The 235 LSD is mechanical and I have seen no evidence of active control of lock-up. The M3/4 diff is actively controlled and capable of 100% lock-up.
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Also, there is no way the M2 would be priced at $60k. The E46 M3 was price around $49K. I expect to see the M2 priced around that number. $5-$6k over the M235i makes a lot of sense. Anything higher and BMW is losing a big market of customers. They're smarter than that. |
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BMW is just putting a premium on it for customers that can't wait for an M2 IMO. |
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Well in that case I went from 99% sure to 100% sure that I am turning in my M235 at lease end, with no LSD installed, and getting a comparably equipped M2. That seems like the no brainer of the century if pricing is as expected.
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It will be price below the M3 and above the 1M...should be in line with the rest of the real M models
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We need to remember the purpose of the mechanical LSD: even power distribution. On the street if you are planning to take a corner onto the highway on-ramp at high speed to power out and accelerate, or take a 4-way intersection hot at high speed (60+) and make that right/left hand turn to power fully out, or just do drag-boring-racing, then OK an LSD can be useful on the street--if STREET RACING is your gig, then to each their own. Not for me. I just recently built a race car (check my Garage List) and with a 4.5 power-to-weight ratio, LSD, slicks, 6/4 pot Wilwoods, I'll keep my road racing and performance on the track where it belongs. Sure if I had extra money to burn on a daily driver then an M3 would be awesome. However tires, fuel, pads, tow rig, and travel expenses cost mucho and my funds are better spent there. Hopefully you have taken your M3 on the track and used its capabilities fully. If so, then you can relate. Nothing like paying for all this capability, and some people never even use it. I'm looking for a driver's daily driver and I think a 228 M-pack will do it, WITHOUT LSD, but with a 6MT of course! BMW makes excellent street cars that perform great on the street for this purpose. (I mean BMW is the SAV-X capital of the world, but I digress ) Pay for the upgrades you will use; LSD for a 2-series is way overkill for the street at $4K; even at this price if I were tracking the car would be hard to justify unless I was pro-racing it. I have tracked all my BMW-cars (not X's) and looking back, there is no way I would spend $4K for LSD. (Instead I sold both my BMWs to build this race car! ) My point to everyone: spend the money on better things like tires, brake upgrades, harness bar, belts, etc that you can utilize on the street too. If you are going to track it extensively, then maybe. But again, to each their own with their cash.
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Bottom line, I wouldn't expect the M2 diff to work on the 235. |
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M2 will be the new generation E46 M3 that appeals to BMWs young market. Mid 50s would steer that market away to other manufactures. You have to also look at it from a marketing standpoint. Plus, remember the M235i will be gone when the M2 arrives. It will be replaced by a 235i or "tii" as others have noted with a 4 cylinder. The price tag on that will more than likely be dropped to around $41k (where the 135i was). Now your looking at a $9k difference for the M2. $49,900 with destination! Mark it! |
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So you're saying the m235i will be discontinue and the replacement will be a 235tii with a 4 cylinder. Then the M2 will be a cheap priced M car for $48k so everyone can reminisce the good old bmw days?? Rofl
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Did you not ask me where I got my info from?
My point is the M3...or M4 now...has evolved into a higher class model since 2008, replacing the E46 M3. Therefore, BMW will not lose that E46 market so they will replace it with the M2 (market in similar price range). THE M2 IS NOT A HIGHER CLASS CAR THAN THE E46 M3 PERIOD. But to be honest, if a lot more people talk like you here thinking of a high price tag, your just giving BMW an excuse to overprice their cars some more. |
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