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but with no 235i coming I can see them lowering the price. If not then the gap is too large between 228i and M235i
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05-18-2013, 12:48 AM | #8 | |
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There is now a 128i, 135i, and 135is. Since the 2 will be 228i, and M235i it would be unwise to price the M235i too much more over the 228i as there will be diminishing returns in terms of performance for dollar. If BMW want to price the M235i at the current difference between the 128i and 135is, then the M235i better come pretty much loaded with most options, or at least with leather and premium included and a better sport suspension calibration with M adaptive dampers. Then it may be worth that price gap. BTW, take a look at the brakes on the M235i, they are downright huge for a small sport coupe. LOVE IT! My 09 135i had excellent brakes and the front 6pots were so very sweet in fit and function, much nicer that the brakes on my 335i Msport. Even the rear brakes on the M235i look massive inside the 18" wheels. Quite nice. I may end my 335i Msport lease early, instead of 3yrs maybe 2.25 or 2.5. |
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05-18-2013, 08:08 AM | #9 |
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I'm predicting the 228i will be around the same as current 128i. Then I'm hoping the M235i will be in between the 135i and 135is.
I'm hoping the M2 will not break $50k. Can't wait to see more details about this car!!
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05-18-2013, 09:20 AM | #10 |
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One would hope that one of them has a base in the high 20s, seeing as there is a 3er available at 31K or 32K. Also, I would expect that fully loaded, either would come in priced meaningfully below what a 320i fully loaded would be.
Now, were I to base my guesses on what I've observed from configuring cars they way I'd buy them on BMW's site, I'd say they will cost between $45K and $50K because it doesn't seem to matter whether I configure a 1er or a 3er, the price always ends up in that range.
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I think the reason this is not a problem is because most people will be ok with a loaded 228i which will cost as much as a base M235i. The enthusiasts more than likely opt for a 235i with m sport anyways. The tune and exhaust are added perks. |
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05-20-2013, 02:55 PM | #13 |
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So did I miss something? The 2 series is the REPLACEMENT for the 1 series, correct? Sure looks that way to me.
What on the 2 series is commanding a $10,000 price increase over the 1 series!? A bigger engine? No. Moar doors? No. Is it an M car? No. Please enlighten me.
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Where do you get a 10k premium over the 1 series from? |
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05-20-2013, 09:47 PM | #15 |
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if the price is too high again, the sales will slow very quickly after the small initial buyers do it.
currently the sales on the 1 series isnt doing so well cause the price is too close to the 3 series. |
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BMW isn't offering a 235i, so they put the M in front of it, yet it's still the new updated replacement for the quite old model 135i as I see it. So it shouldn't be price compared to the 135is The power bump is something that is simply needed for a new model as the 1 series of that generation has been out for quite some time. I'm using my 2013 335i Msport as a price comparison. Mine has DH pkg, prem pkg, and HK audio. A mid level optioned 3 and the MSRP is $52K The 3 is a near lux sport sedan and it's already priced higher than it's competition. Compared to the new 2 series the F30 has a nicer dash design and over all nicer interior that should be considered in terms of pricing. The M235i power increase is simply the PPK software added to the N55. Pricing should be what a current 135i costs with around $800 for the PPK, along with a typical $300-$500 new model year price increase. PPk should cost less here due to economy of scale and because it's not a retrofit option as it was before and is now, which adds labor cost. It's coming from the factory already equipped with PPK. A current 135i with 7spd DCT, Msport pkg, prem. pkg, and HK audio has an MSRP of $46,450. If you want the HK at $875, then you also have to pay $650 to get BT with BMW assist. Hopefully they'll fix that with the new model. $46,450 for that 135i. Let's add $800 for the PPK and that's $47,250. Add $300 model bump and MSRP should be $47,550-$48,00 for a nicely equipped M235i with AT trans. If you get MT, then about $450 lower price as that is the upgrade cost to get the DCT. I could live with that pricing. $50K or over for those items and options I couldn't do it. |
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05-20-2013, 10:10 PM | #18 |
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i wish that was the case. the dealers still feel that they have a special item on hand no matter if its sits at the lot after the first influction of sales.
i had this same exact issue when i was looking in to the 1 series a few years back. sales was slow and they still wouldnt budge on the price. they said its a hot item. even though they have a good amount of cars on the lot this particular one i wanted was rare color scheme and options is what was told to me. it wasnt rare, so i walked. |
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Adding an "M" to the front of 235i doesn't make it more than what a 235i would have been. Adding the "M" is just marketing, like calling a 335i sport with an M steering wheel and M body kit a 335i Msport. In this case they don't have a 335i to add an M body kit to, because as with the 135i the body was part of the base 135i. With the 128i you could add the Msport pkg to make it look very similar to the base 135i. The M235i looks like it's simply adding a PPK type tune to what would be a new 235i. Last edited by RPM90; 05-20-2013 at 10:19 PM.. |
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In 2009 I ordered my 135i for $500 under invoice. I believe 6 months to a year later it was easier to get $1000 below invoice, but again it depends on market. CA is a hotter market for sporty cars so that may explain some of it. |
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05-21-2013, 01:11 PM | #21 |
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So I went on BMWUSA and built a 2013 135is optioned out but not fully loaded as follows:
Base MSRP ---- $43,250 Metallic paint ---- $550 Premium --- $2,400 Tech package -- $2,350 heated front seats -- $500 Manual 6 MT --- $0 Destination ------ $925 Total MSRP ---- $49,975 This reinforces the premise that the M235 with the same common options will be around $50K While I don't think they will raise the price too much compared to the 135is, I do not think they will lower it either, regardless of whether there is a standard 235 on offer or not. So again figure $44-45K base, $50K with Premium and tech Personally, I think the M2 will be the better value and obviously the better car in terms of performance at least. |
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