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10-15-2015, 10:14 AM | #23 | |
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We get these new age 'BMW Enthusiasts' who don't know BMW and who only go by badges and what bimmerpost says is cool who don't know the individual reasons why some of these things actually are cool. |
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A new block and rotating assembly is hardly a "tuned up" N55. And no...the 1M got an identical N54 to what was in the 1/3/5, with a tune on it. That is NOTHING like what's happened here. How could you say that with a straight face?
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-Pistons from M3/M4 S55 engine, with top ring optimized for the use of grey-cast iron liners. -Crankshaft main bearing shells from M3/M4 S55 engine -Turbocharger integrated into the exhaust manifold -Aerodynamically tuned air intake manifold I haven't seen ANY info regarding different block & crank. But of course I'll entertain any sources you come up with |
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I am personally underwhelmed -- but I'm reserving ultimate judgment until after they are in the wild an in car critics' hands, then public hands.
Part of the reason I feel the way I do is that M is a watered down distinction thanks to BMW's long-term model strategy. That's part of the reason models are getting less individualized, distinctive 'bits' than in the past. But really, most of the upleveled hardware is basically bolted on from other M models -- including the S-series engine parts, the e-diff, the auto tranny, the wheels/brakes, and the aluminum used instead of steel in the suspension and other areas -- and the only real 'development' was tuning, stress testing, and bodywork. To me, this makes total sense for BMW for one simple reason: it doesn't want the M2 to overshadow the M3 or M4. I love my 'blackened' 228i. If I land a better professional position (something I'm working toward), I will likely move up to something like the M2. But it very well may not be the M2 because my biggest beef with BMW is how relatively indistinguishable its models are from one another, particularly compared to direct competition. It's a bad long-term business strategy, it's bleeding into its performance products, and it's turning BMW into a much less attractive automobile company to me.
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http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1183416 There's a hundred articles on the X4 M40/M2 engine. New closed deck block, forged crank, and new pistons. Nothing even close to a "tuned" standard N55
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It's true BMWs are looking the same, but Audis have looked the same for years also. If you want something different, go Porsche :-).
About the M2...I think that depending on the standard equipment, the M2 at $50,000 would be a great value compared to the M235i. On the other hand if it starts close to $60,000 here in the US then it is not such a great value. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a great car, just not a great deal compared the the M235i at that price point. In Europe I've read that they are going to ask quite a bit more for the M2. |
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Anyway ... I'm rooting for the M2 to be $51K in the US. Maybe the new engines will inspire some more delineation in a year or two. We shall see.
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Including the revised block in the M40i likely helps spread around some of the cost...er, that's my best guess, at least. I agree, it doesn't make too much sense that the two cars share the same lump under the hood.
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I'm really happy with my M235i although I would love to have a M2 :-) I was able to custom order my M235i for $6,900 below US MSRP. When you consider that price discount to the +MSRP price that the M2 might be commanding the first year, the price gap widens quite a bit. I ran into a guy at the gas station that purchased his M235i when they first came out and paid over US MSRP because of the purchase frenzy at the time. I think it might be the same for the M2 the first year.
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What you claim to be watered down is simply sharing best practices/technology across their top cars. That is to be admired, not criticized. Count your lucky stars that you can have M3 wheels on a M2, or similar suspension engineering, transmissions, etc. for such a reasonable cost. Last edited by mc3456; 10-15-2015 at 01:22 PM.. |
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I'm willing to bet that the price point in the U.S. for it is still being debated at BMW AG and BMW NA because, as it's positioned, it's going to cost sales to something else -- M235, M3, 435i, M4. It's just a matter of what it chooses, and minimizing that effect.
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For the record, I've spent an extensive amount of time in a Cayman, and it is a good handling car, but quite slow. For the same money as the base Cayman, the M2 will absolutely walk away from it, as will a M235i. If you want an overall better value (resale) and faster ride, the M2 is definitely the way to go. It you are only interested in at speed handling or badge snobbery, get the Cayman. You'd have to step up to the Cayman S to come anywhere close to what M2 will provide in accelerative force, but at a much higher cost. |
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I really like the M4 seats. It is one of the things that make it an M looking car. Everytime you get in the car you see those beautiful seats. It is a shame they didn't include them in the M2. I think it is a corner that shouldn't have been cut.
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A) question your experience driving M cars, or B) posit whether you've got a degree of M badge envy. There is nothing watered down in today's M cars. They are the best engineered to date. Sure the delta between the regular models and the M models is not as much as before but that is because the regular models are much better than in prior generations. In the future, the gap will likely close even further with engineering progress. |
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