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06-15-2014, 09:42 PM | #133 | |
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Even though I agree with some of the things you write, you do not drive an "M" car. It's clearly not an M car. It doesn't even come from the M division, which is where M cars come from. Do you not know what M cars are? I do agree with you that there is no need to have to explain anything about what BMW named your car. It is named M235i. The letter "M" is in the name. Additionally, just as you don't need to explain the letter M being there, you shouldn't go around attempting to explain that you're driving an "M" car, as that is not what you're driving. Last edited by RPM90; 06-15-2014 at 09:48 PM.. |
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I guess Porsche needs to drop the Cayenne since it doesn't fit their image, oh wait its 54% of Porsche sales. Times change, brands change, you grow or go out of business. Not every BMW is or needs to be an Ultimate Driving Machine because 90% of people don't give a shit. Just because there is a hard core group of enthusiasts doesn't mean the company could stay independent or in business with that business model. Where would BMW be without their X SUV's, probably owned by another company.
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06-16-2014, 12:30 AM | #138 | |
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if some soccer mom wants to buy an X5 or an X3 (both my parents have F25 X3s, they aren't exactly sports car drivers but they like other things about the car) and that helps pay for development of shared tech / platforms then thats great. BMW needs to spread the cost of things out. and if CF development is supported by eco / green types with the i3, and that leads to more CF on the M3, or a new DCT / twin turbo i-6's cost is spread out to the X6M and the M3 well... how is that not a good thing. as long as BMW has an offering for the hardcore, i could care less if they build cars for the bizarre 5 GT owner who wants to give BMW money. BMW is the only company that was known for sporty cars that hasn't been taken over by another larger parent, because they diversified first. mercedes is really the only other one, and they always catered to the luxury broader audience. |
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Which is why I think you can't just say "let's forget about the core principles of our company and just concentrate on making money", because eventually it can hurt you just as badly as sticking too closely to your core principles and ignoring market changes. |
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http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=935130 -Engine is 82hp over the standard issue 228i. 335i is only 60hp over 328i. -Much better brakes than the 228i or even the 135i. Closer to the M3/M4 per the link above. -Adaptive suspension is better than even the optional adaptive suspension available on the 228i per the link above. Simply put, you cannot factory option out a lower version (228i) that gets you anywhere near what the M235i is capable of...bone stock. Of course it's not a full-M track monster like the forthcoming M2 will be, but it's not even close to the regular line, IMO. I think it's great that there's this pumped-up line above the regular line *AND* still plenty of room for a beast like the M2 coming in above it. |
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well ... a 2015 228i m-sport track pack, with m-sport brakes would be basically a m235i without the engine. and given it 150 -200 lbs less it'd be compelling too. i suppose bmw should just call that an M228i haha. |
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One thought.....the M235 is 0-60 in 4.3 and the 228i is 0-60 in 4.9. (both automatic figures)
Is paying an additional $8,000 or so far an equally equipped 235i worth 0.6 seconds to 60? Just asking..... Is the 228i with M-sport package / MT the better buy? I mean...hey....few are made of money. Has anyone considered a 228i instead? :-)
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228i $32,100 Base $3,000 M Sport $1,450 Leather $1,000 Dynamic Handling Package $900 Lighting Package $650 M Sport Brakes $1,050 Moonroof $925 Destination $41,075 M235i $43,100 Base $1,450 Leather $925 Destination $45,475 EDIT: The difference was originally much closer to $6,000, but I didn't notice the moonroof. Personally, I'd delete that anyway, so the 228i still comes out ahead on value. Your mileage may vary, depending on whether you want it.
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Also is it worth getting a M3/4 vs m235i for the same reason you asked...for split seconds And is it worth getting a Ferrari over a M3/4 for split seconds We can go on all day with this topic
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Still, $4k is a hell of a lot better than $8k.
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The 228i apparently has better weight distribution, too, thanks to the lighter engine. And you can only get the M Performance suspension on the 228i. |
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You were still technically correct: it's closer to $3k than it is $8k.
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I work in tech. There are dozens of great tech companies that have amazing products…but crappy business models that weren't profitable. The side of the road is littered with them. Think about that when looking at Lotus's future: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...past-167m.html BMW 1st and foremenost needs to succeed as a company. Making all of us fanboy's happy is 1 way of possibly doing that. Selling thousands of X5's to wealthy soccer moms also can help their bottom line. |
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Yeah...that 228i is nothing to sniff at. M-Sport, Sunroof and Tech package for me.....i'd be very happy with that car. Very descent car for the money. But if money's no object....yeah.....no doubt go for the 235. I'd like to see a side-by-side comparision of the 228 M-Sport MT vs 235 MT. Maybe there is one....I just haven't see it.
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