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Ultimately I will say again what I already said - a water temp gauge in a modern BMW with the electronic thermostat and electric water pump is the next best thing to useless for knowing if the car is going to overheat soon. There are many operating conditions where the computer runs the car on the verge of overheating anyway. It's more efficient that way, squeaks out a bit better fuel economy by not chucking heat energy out the radiator. It's the whole reason that they HAVE the electronic thermostat and electric water pump, so the temperature can be dynamically managed. The gauge would have to be damped to the point of uselessness. It would show normal right up until the point it is in fact overheating, which is exactly the same thing the light does. I do concede that it would be nice to know when the engine is up to operating temp, but realistically just waiting for 10 minutes drive time to hammer the thing is more than sufficient. As for the dipstick, if you are going to have an electronic oil quantity/quality sensor for the CBS anyway, why bother with a dipstick? It's one more thing to break, and a potential evaporative emissions leak point. Good riddance, I say. And with these engines holding nearly 8 quarts of oil, the exact level is not exactly critical anyway. Drive it until the computer tells you to add a quart, dump it in, and you are good to go.
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krhodes1 nailed it, case closed.\, can we go back to railing in the lack of a spare now
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I believe somethings mechanical are just more efficient still. Technology hasn't matched the efficiency of it. It may have superseded its use but not efficiency in my opinion.
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Believe it or not, BMW's engineers actually do know what they are doing.
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Another idea, not sure if its been mentioned, and I know its an expensive option but you could go for the Electric BMW Steering Wheel. Ordered it on my M235i and am loving it. Expensive but you get alot of functionality and I like the fact that its Alcantara wrapped.
-Oil and water Temp -Shift Lights -0-60 times -1/4 mile time -lap timer -section timer -lateral g meter -Efficient dynamics display It was expensive but ive been wanting this for a while so i pulled the trigger when I placed my order and have not looked back.
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I don't want to wait to find out i don't have the right amount of oil in there. That now adds more time to the oil change. If i can check it during a 10-15min oil change i am done and on my way. i am sorry but the efficiency is just not there in the technology. Head to head oil changes, the dipstick would win out every time.
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Ultimately this is all arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The dipstick is GONE from BMW gasoline engines, and it is not coming back. If this really bothers you, buy something else. I think Audi still has dipsticks, shame about how they drive though.
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wait, does that mean I cant use this anymore? .....bummer
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In an effort to find out who exactly is responsible for the dipstick-abolishing movement, Autoblog contacted Audi, BMW and Porsche – three respected German automakers who have embraced the technology for several years. All three gave us the same answer. Contrary to Internet rumors, the elimination of an inexpensive metal rod is not a cost-cutting measure, nor is it an environmental issue (word on the web said each check of a dipstick introduced ounces of polluting dirty oil into the ecosystem). Quite frankly, the automakers point out that we simply don't need dipsticks anymore. Why? Because owners don't use them. While they don't specifically say it, those who engineer and assemble our new cars (and guarantee new vehicle warranties) are much more comfortable knowing that a silicon chip is monitoring the oil level – not a consumer who hasn't checked tire pressures (or even opened the hood) since the last time the Vikings won the Super Bowl. So its the buyer's fault.
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it doesn't bother me that the dipstick is gone, what bothers me is having to hack or go through secrete hidden menus to now see the levels and temps.... that should be available to the end user by default!
oil, coolant, and fuel levels, as well as temps and tire pressures should all be available by default to the buyer of any car.... especially a performance car being marketed to enthusiasts and coming with an ///M badge! an ultimate driving machine thats been so perfected that the direction is now creating the ultimate driver... and you cant see the level's and temps? I would not be surprised if we have to add an "admin package" down the road that unlocks all the gauges we should be getting by default. |
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Ok, while I have not read the whole thread, it seems that some are referencing the "temp gauge" when talking about the water temp gauge while others are referring the to the oil temp gauge. These two gauges could not be more different. I agree that the that a water temp gauge is basically little more than an idiot light. However, at least with every M car I have owned, the oil temp gauge is important in terms of knowing when you can "use the car's full potential" or if there is an overheating problem at the track. With E39 M5 for example, some instances of bearing failure have been related to revving the engine to redline repeatedly before the oil temp was in the safe range.
It seems that BMW turbocharged engines do not warm up as quickly as their NA engines. The S62 and S54 engines usually reach optimal operating oil temp within 5-10 minutes of normal operation (however, I live in Arizona!). I have had the pleasure of driving a 1 M frequently, and the M54 engine takes significantly longer to reach optimal operational oil temp. Perhaps this doesn't matter anymore, but BMW M has spent years telling us it does...and no-one has said it doesn't matter with the newer turbo engines. Of course the F8X's S55 has an oil temp gauge as well, be it for marketing or because M wants owners to know what the oil temp is before the car is hammered or used extensively at the track. Clearly for short-term ownership none of this matters. For 10+ years (which is my pattern) I'm not so sure. At least the oil temp is available by several different ways (menu on tech package, steering wheel upgrade) on the M235i as outlined above.
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"The temp gauge was useful every morning for me." In what meaningful way unless you race every morning? You must be always late for work.....
So an oil temp gauge is worth 11k to you, the guestimated cost of an M2 over a 235i. Again, save $$ and get the fancy steering wheel. Or simply install this: http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/a...o-150_psi.html
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He's willing to pay $11K for an oil temp gauge and you're trying to sell him on a $200 pressure gauge?
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Gentle Men we are not buying Corollas here. We are buying something special that is an extension of our personalities and says something about us. My cars says that I am a petrol head with mechanical empathy that enjoys those things that connect me with the car more like shifting the gears, engaging the clutch, monitoring the engine with a gauge and through real sound. That is what I value and if I'm going to spend 2 gti's worth of money on one car that is what I want. I do not want my car saying: I just out gas in it and drive while listening to digital engine sound and looking at M badges. I hope the M2 is modeled a little closer to the 1M not just in numbers but in details like this.
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I was looking at another thread where they are making fun of BMWs mistake in the new M3 manual. They call the engine a V8 and they show a picture of the dash telling the driver to monitor the temp gauge in the morning! I guess the M3 and Mx35i cars are that different?
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