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01-30-2014, 09:08 PM | #67 |
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Given the new nomenclature, won't the 1 series become a small sedan? In that case the 2GC is not a big loss.
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So what if the 2gc steal sales from the 3....money is going to the same account
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01-30-2014, 09:32 PM | #72 |
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I can only assume that they're talking about no 2-Series GC because of cost. The M235i is outrageously expensive. It starts at $43,100! That's $11,000 more than the 228i (typically, that gap is closer to $6000). Adding $300 to the M235i gets a 335i sedan, which starts at $43,400. We all know that the GC will cost more than the 2-Door coupe (the 6GC costs $2200 above a standard coupe). BMW hasn't left themselves any room to price the car reasonably between the 2er coupe and the 335 sedan. What person would pay more money for a smaller car? I think that's why they're saying the 2GC is DOA.
The numbers look much better when you're comparing a 228i and a 328i. There's definitely room for a 228i GC, a car inexpensive enough they could advertise it as starting in the low to mid thirties. Would they offer that without offering a 235 GC? I don't know. I think for those of us who would like a smaller BMW, we're going to have to hope they bring us a 1-Series sedan, even if it's FWD/XI. I imagine that's what it will take for BMW to offer a compact sedan in the correct price bracket. We're looking for an out-the-door price of mid to high thirties... which would be possible with a 228i GC. Even if the hypothetical 1-Series sedan is FWD, I'll strongly consider buying it because I'm sure it will be available with a stick. CLA and A3 are both automatic only. Which is a damn shame, particularly in the case of the A3. |
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Once they are out in the wild and in hands like the folks on this forum, we will get a better idea of what it really is.
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I wouldn't think those that are waiting on an M235 (like me) would cross shop against the F30 335 (I didn't and wouldn't). Similarly, if they made a M335, then you would see a nice uptick in price. Just an observation.
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Exactly. These all need to die. So ugly and unnecessary.
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What??? I was hoping for convertible, gran coupe, GT, sedan and gran sedan (as long as a sedan but with only 2 very long doors) versions, each with plentiful M badges. Sigh.
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This whole time I was thinking... the one good thing about the ridiculous proliferation of BMW models is that at least they'll come out with a 2 series gran coupe at some point, bringing back the small rear drive sport sedan that the 3 series is supposed to be.
It would be so weird for bmw to decide that they don't need a compact, high-powered sport sedan in the lineup. And no, bmw, the f30 is not compact by any standard. We need to start a petition or something.
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I mean honestly the more I think about it, the less I care. It would almost surely weigh more than a 335i which takes away the point of getting a smaller car. And it wouldn't drive or look as good as an E46 (thanks to pedestrian safety laws for the latter). So f*ck it.
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Nowdays - 320 is just nothing. Even audi has better offering for a smaller price. There is no profit to buy 320 as 328 has same displacement and way better dynamics. There is a huge market for a small 4 door sedan with a small turbocharged engine and reasonable price. This news are very disapointing. I feel "little need for the bmw".
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Whether he likes it of not; the CLA has played a major part in putting Mercedes in the US lead and back into the global race for the premium car leadership. This may be a way to shrug off the fact the Mercedes beat them to a new in the market.
It took them a while but they chased the CLS with 6GC and I see some sort entry level Sports Sedan version of the 1 or 2 coming eventaully. |
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But just that is the problem. The 2 Series GranCoupé F24(?) being RWD would have a unique selling point compared to Audi and Mercedes. With all of them being AWD (FWD-based), for what reason would you choose the BMW?
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