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I think it could be done and there's a decent amount of time for planning such an international venture - if buyers were willing to wait for decent Euro driving weather of course. And if, and only if, release to the various world markets was at approximately the same time. And if....and if....and yes there are a ton of stumbling blocks but a great bunch of enthusiasts would no doubt be willing to jump through hoops to make this work. Including BMW I suspect. I've already penciled in June/2015 for my 2 week E.D.#2. I figure the more the merrier!!! If it's too early to plan, I'll gladly regurgitate the idea next year. Here's to hoping!!
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I guess I'm the only one who sees this as the future Z4/Z3 M Coupe...
I mean think about it, "Look for aggressive restyling, The M2 will feature a wider track and wider rear fenders, as well as four exhaust finishers" Last edited by Hybrid For Life; 12-27-2012 at 05:01 AM.. |
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12-27-2012, 03:55 AM | #51 |
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Hope bMW will copy you Mr. Irani. what a beautiful render.
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12-27-2012, 07:39 AM | #53 |
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M2 + I6 = FAIL
M2 + I4 = WIN You think BMW is going to give the M2 the engine from the M4? Or you think an OEM tuned N55/N56 is worth an M badge? The N55 is almost as heavy as S65. If you want I6 just get an M4, if you can't afford M4, but want I6, just get M235i. Let the purists get I4. If it was only about I6 smoothness, why did BMW give the E9XM a V8? Why did M3 E30 have I4 whereas 325i E30 had I6? The M2 is about handling, and 328i F30 handles better than 335i F30. If the next M2 gets an I6, it will be the same car as the current/previous E82M: good car but wrong powertrain. A heavy I6 is inacceptable in a lightweight M2. |
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My take: M2 - 4 cylinder (330 hp); M3 6 cylinder (440hp); M5/6 8 cylinder (550hp) Another interesting tidbit: a successor to the N55 is soon to be out on x40i models... I don't see the M division getting their hands on it early and tunning the hell out of it just for the M2. Beside we have already seen the new M3 motor and it already looks like the successor to the N55 and I highly doubt the M3 will share a motor with the M2. M2 will be a 4 cylinder.
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12-27-2012, 11:54 AM | #59 |
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Agree, a detuned M3/M4 engine(down to 2.5-3.0L?) with ~380-400hp sounds like a plan. BMW needs to have a gap between M235i and M2, and detuned M3/M4 engine fits the best -- Lowest R&D cost, light weight, plenty of power with fuel economy.
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12-27-2012, 12:00 PM | #60 | |
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N20 and N55 having many parts in common, the M2 would also use some of the M4's I6 parts on its I4 engine. |
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For people who likes to put it in perspective the 1M makes around 360 hp and the full bolt on cars with a tune (but keeping the stock turbos) easily passes 450 hp, with most aggressive tunes going low 500s. Those cars are able to hit 700 nm or more tq, which is higher than a Aventador's V12 and in the same level with a stock F10 M5. In short, you are not going to have much more than that really in any small M car in the foreseeable future but since making power is not at all the most significant part of an M car, I am absolutely not denying progress here. Lightness is the key. 1M was not a light car, not at all, it is a heavy car for the size but the tq makes it feel light in most circumstances which is not the same thing. That's probably only real issue with 1M imo. This is nothing more than a little note, limited on tq figure, on your high expectations from the M2, otherwise I would love to see what you describe happens in the near future: really light, small or compact enough, powerful enough, torquey and a bold design. If these all blend together well then it will have the most important of all, a character of its own and not 1M's or new M3's. Make it BMW M and I will cry amen!
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It is interesting because as far as I know preliminary testing is underway that means they have not made any overall decision to what is suggested in the article. It is true they have done work on the N20 and thinking logically it is the preferred choice.
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considering the suit of the 1M (or at least the E82 1 series) wasnt that appealing to most.... that may not even matter. if it's a hit (and how could it not be) it will be based on handling, power and dynamics more than anything else.... just like the 1M.
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yeah.. because BMW has NEVER had a winning formula with a 4 cylinder motor in an M car.. |
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the 1M was a game changer... this is a continuation... DUH! |
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