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      10-12-2020, 03:13 PM   #114
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Originally Posted by super51fan View Post
That raises the question about the $43k Supra 2.0, where is the business proposition there? They clearly see some sort of market for this who want a ~250hp sports coupe. I'd argue that a $35k turbo 86 (with a 6mt of course) is a much more compelling buy than the half-baked effort on Toyota's part with the $43k Supra 2.0 despite the refinement advantages of the Supra.

By 2025, we will at minimum see a hybrid/electric 86 per Toyota's initiative. Expect this version to be at that $35k price point given the additional equipment.
My guess is because:
1. BMW already had a turbo 4 to throw in the Supra. (we could get in to the whole they used a BMW because they didn't think they could profitability build the car on their own).
2. Many European countries have taxes based on engine size, which is why BMW has the 2.0 L turbo 4 to begin with. Even the mighty E30 M3 was sold in some countries with a 2.0L S14 because of taxes, vs the 2.3 everyone else got.


I suspect the 2.0 Supra wouldn't exist if BMW didn't already have a longitudinally mounted 4 cylinder in the catalog.


As for hybrid/electric, no idea. I haven't followed that aspect closely. I know for a "sports car" that is supposed to be lightweight (comparatively to current vehicle offerings) simple sports car.............I wouldn't be a buyer on one.
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