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      10-14-2015, 07:08 PM   #1
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Why the M2 is much more car and worth every penny over the M235i

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1. There won't be any ounce of compliance in the suspension/bushings/engine/trans mounts like there is in the M235i

2. The N55B30T0 is basically a detuned S55/N55 hybrid

3. The wide body is absolutely gorgeous and puts the car in another realm of style and presence

4. Its basically the E46 M3 / "right sized F8X" we've all been asking for

Here's why you all should stop complaining:

1. BMW enthusiasts have frequently cited the e36 m3 as g-ds gift to man kind - the car had an upgraded M52 that only revved to 7k without the ITBs and other complexities of the S50 along with absolutely zero distinction from an M tech E36 316/18/20/23/25/28. Ok, so we only got the M tech model in 1994 and 1999 as the 325is and 328is but still my point is valid. It wasn't even that aggressive or stiff in stock form, although it handled extremely well and had great proportions (M235i's predecessor anyone?). At least the e36 had M mirrors

2. The M2 will be extremely hard core like the e46 m3. Stuff, rough, and I'm sure much more sonorous. It's wide body, like the e46. It's got the amazing M diff from the F8x and even the gray gauges with orange needles (like the e46 and f8x). So what if it doesn't have M mirrors????

It's the e46 reborn and the downsized F8x we've all been asking for!!

This may very well be the last non hybrid, non Xdrive, manual, RWD, hard core track machine that BMW offers us enthusiasts. So I think it's time we buy as many as we can and show BMW our appreciation for not forgetting about us diehards. Who knows, maybe if we buy enough of them we'll can prevent BMW from making the next 2 series a fwd SUV convertible with 10 seats and a CVT...
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One is a M.

The other isn't.

Nothing more needs to be said on this M2 v M235i topic.
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One is a M.

The other isn't.

Nothing more needs to be said on this M2 v M235i topic.
This mentality is a poison on the forums. It's a damn badge.

If BMW took a 135, or a 235, and called it a 1M or an M2, it would somehow be superior because of the $10 badge on it's trunk lid?

Badge whores are killing cars like these...namely because they tend to interested in anything but the driving experience that once made these cars special. Numbers generators vs. dance partners.
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One is a M.

The other isn't.

Nothing more needs to be said on this M2 v M235i topic.
This mentality is a poison on the forums. It's a damn badge.

If BMW took a 135, or a 235, and called it a 1M or an M2, it would somehow be superior because of the $10 badge on it's trunk lid?

Badge whores are killing cars like these...namely because they tend to interested in anything but the driving experience that once made these cars special. Numbers generators vs. dance partners.
I agree. I don't think the M235i is any less M than the American E36 M3.
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This mentality is a poison on the forums. It's a damn badge.

If BMW took a 135, or a 235, and called it a 1M or an M2, it would somehow be superior because of the $10 badge on it's trunk lid?

Badge whores are killing cars like these...namely because they tend to interested in anything but the driving experience that once made these cars special. Numbers generators vs. dance partners.
i'm sure you should find your M3 a cut above the non-m 3 series. that's my only point here, nothing to do with badges. just because one finds a m car better than a non-m car in the same series, doesn't mean he/she is putting down the non-m car for the lack of a M badge. i have a 235 and wouldn't swop it for a M2 ... not for the time being at least
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i'm sure you should find your M3 a cut above the non-m 3 series.
Yes, but not "because it's an M". But rather, because of the content. So your post "one is an M and one is not and that's all that needs to be said"...which has nothing to do with content, and everything to do with a label...is horrible.

BMW has been cutting back on what makes an M lately, so perhaps your assumptions...well...you know what they say.
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I agree. I don't think the M235i is any less M than the American E36 M3.
That being the case, you should amend the title of your thread which asks the question "Why the M2 is much more car and worth every penny over the M235i". You asked the question, I answered. just saying
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I agree. I don't think the M235i is any less M than the American E36 M3.
That being the case, you should amend the title of your thread which asks the question "Why the M2 is much more car and worth every penny over the M235i". You asked the question, I answered. just saying
No no no, I'm saying that the American e36 wasn't any more of an M than the M235i in my opinion. I know the M235i isn't really an M, but I'm saying that even some M cars weren't really all that "M" either. Technically the M3 is an M and the M235i isn't, but if you drive them both back to back, I don't think you'd say the M235i is lacking anything. But yes M2 >>>>> M235i. M2 also >>>> US e36 M3. And the E36 M is an awesome car in my opinion, I just don't think that the M235i is less in any way. Except for sound. I love the induction noise on the S52. On the other hand, the steering on the F22 is light years ahead. Even if it had a little less feedback than the E36, the E36 has a boat-slow steering rack in comparison to an E46 M3, E92 M3, or the M235i.
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Yes, but not "because it's an M". But rather, because of the content. So your post "one is an M and one is not and that's all that needs to be said"...which has nothing to do with content, and everything to do with a label...is horrible.

BMW has been cutting back on what makes an M lately, so perhaps your assumptions...well...you know what they say.

I trust you're not referring to missing M 'contents' like CF roof, M mirrors, M seats etc... cos i wasn't. i'm looking at M2 v 235 predominantly from driving dynamics perspective.

edit - inb4 anyone picks up on the fact that we haven't driven the M2 and therefore I couldn't have known anything about M2 dynamics... it's just an educated guess from my 1M. 1M >> 235 but in M2, assumed similar uplift in 2er dynamics from M3/4 parts bin.

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I trust you're not referring to missing M 'contents' like CF roof, M mirrors, M seats etc... cos i wasn't. i'm looking at M2 v 235 predominantly from driving dynamics perspective.

edit - inb4 anyone picks up on the fact that we haven't driven the M2 and therefore I couldn't have known anything about M2 dynamics... it's just an educated guess from my 1M. 1M >> 235 but in M2, assumed similar uplift in 2er dynamics from M3/4 parts bin.
Which is completely fine. So how about saying this instead of the "one is an M, one isn't" line? One is about something tangible, the other a badge.
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Yes the M235i is a very nice car - awesome car in fact.
Yes the M2 is going to be a very nice car - awesome car in fact.

M "fanboys" trying (and epically failing) is no different than Apple fanboys or Jesus fanboys. Whatever floats your boat.

In the meantime, I'll take the German-Manufactured, 350hp, AWD Focus RS please.
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Nothing like an "M" car...Been lucky enough to have owned two of em in the past.. Loving what I see of the M2 too.

But sure am enjoying my M Performance 235 for now

I'm in no rush to be first in line for an M2 or even 25th....Hell, having lived through the ball bearing recall of the S54, I'm now experienced enough to be a buyer year 2 of production (or later).

And did I say? Loving my M Performance 235...
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This mentality is a poison on the forums. It's a damn badge.

If BMW took a 135, or a 235, and called it a 1M or an M2, it would somehow be superior because of the $10 badge on it's trunk lid?

Badge whores are killing cars like these...namely because they tend to interested in anything but the driving experience that once made these cars special. Numbers generators vs. dance partners.
Wait till the "N" cars come out...not sure if a schizophrenic Veloster would be better but it should won't be boring!
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3. The wide body is absolutely gorgeous and puts the car in another realm of style and presence
I'm let down by the stylings. The hips are a no-brainer but the bumpers / scoops just don't sit right with me.

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It's the e46 reborn and the downsized F8x we've all been asking for!!
Isn't the M235i closer to E46 M3? Very similar power output. The M2 is quite a bit above the E46 on a technical level.

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2. The M2 will be extremely hard core like the e46 m3. Stuff, rough, and I'm sure much more sonorous.
Are you sure? I'm uncertain it will be that much rawer.


related food for thought: the original M6 in the US was known as M635CSi in Europe.
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Nothing like an "M" car...Been lucky enough to have owned two of em in the past.. Loving what I see of the M2 too.

But sure am enjoying my M Performance 235 for now

I'm in no rush to be first in line for an M2 or even 25th....Hell, having lived through the ball bearing recall of the S54, I'm now experienced enough to be a buyer year 2 of production (or later).

And did I say? Loving my M Performance 235...
This! This man knows what he is talking about, I am fighting the urge to become the first in my town to own the M2 but i want to wait for another year to let them solve some of the issues and maybe get a better deal later on :P

The deals that are made on the 2016 M235i makes you feel a bit fooled
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An M2 is "worth every penny" only to the people that find value in the money spent.


Only the siths deal in absolutes.....and the Jedi.




Its beyond me why people cant understand that the M235/240 plays an important role. A base M2 with automatic tran is about 10k more than an M235..Thats a LOT of coin.

An m235 is 80% the performance of an M2 for 3/4s of the price. A great deal of the people dont need and or want 100% of the performance of the M2 for daily driving. The question that could be asked is if you dont plan to track your car is an M2 and the extra 10k a silly option? Im not saying it is but it at least requires thought for every buyer...

I dont own or have an M235 ordered so Im not being defensive...

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An M2 is "worth every penny" only to the people that find value in the money spent.


Only the siths deal in absolutes.....and the Jedi.




Its beyond me why people cant understand that the M235/240 plays an important role. A base M2 with automatic tran is about 10k more than an M235..Thats a LOT of coin.

An m235 is 80% the performance of an M2 for 3/4s of the price. A great deal of the people dont need and or want 100% of the performance of the M2 for daily driving. The question that could be asked is if you dont plan to track your car is an M2 and the extra 10k a silly option? Im not saying it is but it at least requires thought for every buyer...

I dont own or have an M235 ordered so Im not being defensive...
You aren't. The thread title screams "I'm insecure that the M2 isn't really much better than an M235i and I'm spending all this extra coin it just has to be better and M235i owners have to regret their decision."

The M235i rocks. Period. I have no interest in the M2. I didn't expect much anyway and it definitely did not deliver even on basic things like mirrors and the interior.
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M2 may be too loud and rough-riding for some people especially as a daily driver. That's why it will probably always be a niche car. The main reason for M235i success is its versatility because despite having M-badge it can be setup at the flick of a switch to have soft steering/suspension and (relatively) quiet exhaust. On the other hand M2 will always be more hardcore and uncompromising which will naturally limit its appeal. So I don't think "M2 is much more car", I think the opposite is true because of its narrow focus. And speaking of "focus", yes, I would probably choose Focus RS over M2. The new Ford will be faster, cheaper, more practical and have much better traction while being build in Germany, just like BMW.
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An M2 is "worth every penny" only to the people that find value in the money spent.

Only the siths deal in absolutes.....and the Jedi.

Its beyond me why people cant understand that the M235/240 plays an important role. A base M2 with automatic tran is about 10k more than an M235..Thats a LOT of coin.

An m235 is 80% the performance of an M2 for 3/4s of the price. A great deal of the people dont need and or want 100% of the performance of the M2 for daily driving. The question that could be asked is if you dont plan to track your car is an M2 and the extra 10k a silly option? Im not saying it is but it at least requires thought for every buyer...

I dont own or have an M235 ordered so Im not being defensive...
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Bingo. My M235i has all the performance I could ever use, and then some.
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1. There won't be any ounce of compliance in the suspension/bushings/engine/trans mounts like there is in the M235i

2. The N55B30T0 is basically a detuned S55/N55 hybrid

3. The wide body is absolutely gorgeous and puts the car in another realm of style and presence

4. Its basically the E46 M3 / "right sized F8X" we've all been asking for

Here's why you all should stop complaining:

1. BMW enthusiasts have frequently cited the e36 m3 as g-ds gift to man kind - the car had an upgraded M52 that only revved to 7k without the ITBs and other complexities of the S50 along with absolutely zero distinction from an M tech E36 316/18/20/23/25/28. Ok, so we only got the M tech model in 1994 and 1999 as the 325is and 328is but still my point is valid. It wasn't even that aggressive or stiff in stock form, although it handled extremely well and had great proportions (M235i's predecessor anyone?). At least the e36 had M mirrors

2. The M2 will be extremely hard core like the e46 m3. Stuff, rough, and I'm sure much more sonorous. It's wide body, like the e46. It's got the amazing M diff from the F8x and even the gray gauges with orange needles (like the e46 and f8x). So what if it doesn't have M mirrors????

It's the e46 reborn and the downsized F8x we've all been asking for!!

This may very well be the last non hybrid, non Xdrive, manual, RWD, hard core track machine that BMW offers us enthusiasts. So I think it's time we buy as many as we can and show BMW our appreciation for not forgetting about us diehards. Who knows, maybe if we buy enough of them we'll can prevent BMW from making the next 2 series a fwd SUV convertible with 10 seats and a CVT...
1. The 235i and the M4 have very similar suspension feels
2. It has 'pistons' from an S55 with the top ring. The N55 & S55 are entirely and completely separate engines. Taking such a small factor from one engine and putting it into another doesn't make it a hybrid. It's a tuned up N55, like what the X4 M40i will be getting. Like the 1M. This isn't even 235i vs M2. It's simple compare/contrast. If I put an apple seed in a watermelon, does that make the watermelon 'basically an apple'? No.
3. That's your opinion. I like the widebody, of course, but the front/rear bumpers are gaudy.
4. Same can be said for 235

1. Completely and entirely irrelevant. Not even sure why this was mentioned.
2. Grey gauges and orange needles? I wouldn't buy one just for that.
3. Same can be said for the 235.

I think you're getting your hopes up of what you THINK the M2 will be like. Sure, It won't handle/feel like the 235, but it's not different/better/better looking enough for my liking. But if all that is why you have to justify to yourself into getting one then be my guest.

The M235i got so much hate because of the M before the 235 and for some reason this M2 is getting more praise than anything BMW has done in recent years and I truthfully don't get it. If BMW never came out with the m235i and just came out with the 235i as the M2, it would SURELY get the same praise the M2 is now. It's all hype. People wanted M2 and it truthfully didn't matter what BMW did with it, people were going to love it.
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