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      04-30-2014, 12:59 PM   #45
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Great news but I wish it had an detuned s55 motor! Since its a turbo motor it would be easy to achieve this.

During the e46 M3 time didn't BMW put the detuned s54 M3 engine into the Z3 M and later the Z4 M??

The M2 would be much more special with an S55 engine!
No the s54 wasn't detuned.
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      04-30-2014, 01:00 PM   #47
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You do know that the new m3/4 is using pretty much a N55 just with 2 turbo's right? If they're getting 365 hp from the n55 that's a good thing to know on our end.
My understanding was that the S55 was beefed up in many ways...there's a list on the M3/4 forum somewhere...
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I am very excited and confused at the same time. Makes no sense to N55 power this as the M235 with a tune will have the same output for far cheaper. Should have an S derived motor. Hopefully it comes DCT

Tuned M235 =/= M2. In the same way a tuned 335i =/= M3.


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Wish they just put the s55 motor and detuned it a bit.

Or make it an updated n54 twin turbo over the single 55.

Granted from a suspension handling point it should be superior but if they are just beefing up the suspension steering brakes and chassis and popping a OEM JB tune on the n55 that's a bit disappointing
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      04-30-2014, 01:02 PM   #50
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Big difference between N54 and N55 tho - the N54 already had forged internals and was given M massaging for the 1M...the N55 is clearly limited by the lack of forged internals - didn't they have to change the crankcase or something to get it up to 326 BHP for the M235?

How in the hell are they going to get to 380 BHP without doing a whole lot more than that???
Exactly. As a 1M owner I hope for more than just a drop in N55, the N54T was designed for the 1M
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You do know that the new m3/4 is using pretty much a N55 just with 2 turbo's right? If they're getting 365 hp from the n55 that's a good thing to know on our end.
You're correct... but the N55 is basically (in simple terms, I know there are specific differences) a single turbo version of the N54, making the M3/4 motors like the N54. I personally love the N54 motor and am confident that the M3/4 motor is going to be amazing.

My problem is the M car (I know they used the N54 in the 1M, but I'm sure that was due to the low volume build) should have a bespoke engine. That's what I'm looking for when paying this kind of money. Make sense?
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I for one, am absolutely THRILLED they're using the N55. It's solid. All the kinks have been worked out. There is a lot of power left on the table. It sounds fantastic! It remains to be seen if it will be single or twin turbo.


And the obvious question, why not a de-tuned S55?
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Will it be limited production like the 1M?
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Hiiiiiighly doubt it.
Seriously doubt it as well. That said, for the fortunate few who would be able to get ahold of one in a limited release they'd be driving a free car a la the 1M
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Exactly. As a 1M owner I hope for more than just a drop in N55, the N54T was designed for the 1M
As someone who has had an N54, N55 and the 326 BHP in the N55, I would love it if they used some version of the N54...I know they won't, but my god did that motor pull hard...
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Basically the same recipe as the 1M. Honestly think the N55 in stock form has better response than the N54. So a tuned N55 should be perfect, combined with some weight loss.

If gets a widebody, carbon roof, carbon driveshaft, DCT option, and the typical M mechanical bits. This thing will be and instant classic.
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S55 in this car would of killed the M3/M4 sales. The N55 is a good platform especially with the drivetrain this car will have.
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No the s54 wasn't detuned.
This is correct.

S54 in Z4M and Z4M Roadster and even the later 2001 Z3 M Coupe/Roadster had subtle exhaust differences that limited the power to 315 hp in some cases.
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As someone who has had an N54, N55 and the 326 BHP in the N55, I would love it if they used some version of the N54...I know they won't, but my god did that motor pull hard...
Agreed. The N54 doesn't have stupid valvetronic which complicates tuning and the N54 has proven a superior powerhouse for tuning.
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Big difference between N54 and N55 tho - the N54 already had forged internals and was given M massaging for the 1M...the N55 is clearly limited by the lack of forged internals - didn't they have to change the crankcase or something to get it up to 326 BHP for the M235?

How in the hell are they going to get to 380 BHP without doing a whole lot more than that???
Many comments about forged this and that and yet to see it all besides talk. Have you pulled a part the n55 to go over its internals. Have you seen anyone use a bigger turbo to see what the motors can really handle? Stop this hear say, obviously Bmw knows what they're doing!
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Soooooo M2 with an S55 swap? Or even S65?
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Many comments about forged this and that and yet to see it all besides talk. Have you pulled a part the n55 to go over its internals. Have you seen anyone use a bigger turbo to see what the motors can really handle? Stop this hear say, obviously Bmw knows what they're doing!
Actually having been intimately involved in BMW products for 2 years I can shed light on it. The pistons and rods are different as well as the part numbers. N55s have cast rods.
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Ugh...maybe I should cancel my M4 order now and wait for this....
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