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      03-08-2014, 08:56 AM   #23
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I'm a Huge 1M Coupe Fan but some of these fanboys needs to take a chill pill...

No one is actually saying the m235i is 'better' and an actually replacement for the 1M...

People who feel threatened that their 1 Series are going to be 'overshadowed' by the 2 series needs to grow some balls.

The most Arrogant statement One can make is NOT the fact that the 2Series will be an improvement on a 5-6 year old Model... The most arrogant/ignorant statement will be trying to assert that the 1series is superior to the 2Series when the 2Series was developed by BMW to succeed the 1series... + I mean the 2Series is hardly even out and people are getting their panties up in their croutches...
Accurate statement, I drive a 135 and loooove the M235i. If it only had another 60hp, I'd be in it.
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I Agree with you, but the real problem is automatically assuming that the 1 Series is better when the 2series barely came out the market as of right now.
Agreed - I have had 2 135s and I am really looking forward to getting my M235 this week. It is such an upgrade in the looks department. It is slightly bigger (nice when you have others with you) and is just a touch "nicer" in a lot of ways. It is also going to drive, handle, and feel substantially the same as my 1er, as evidenced by my test drive and similar responses from other members on the board.

In my head, the pecking order easily goes something like this:

135 < 135is < M235 < 1M < M2 (hopefully). ***Cue IEDEI to argue vigoriously here that his 135is is better***

My previous post wasn't intended to laud the 1M over the M235 - performance-wise, it should be better than the M235. I think a lot of 1M owners (rightfully) think that they have a very special, hard to obtain car...but much of that was put into place by BMW's idiotic approach to how many were to be sold. Many people who wanted one couldn't get one, and not because the car was too expensive.

If we do indeed see an M2, I would expect it to be better, performance-wise, than the 1M in every way. Doesn't mean someone can't like the 1M better for subjective reasons, but facts are facts. I like the E46 M3 better than the E92. Doesn't mean the E92 isn't a better car in every measurable way, which it is.

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Agreed - I have had 2 135s and I am really looking forward to getting my M235 this week. It is such an upgrade in the looks department. It is slightly bigger (nice when you have others with you) and is just a touch "nicer" in a lot of ways. It is also going to drive, handle, and feel substantially the same as my 1er, as evidenced by my test drive and similar responses from other members on the board.

In my head, the pecking order easily goes something like this:

135 < 135is < M235 < 1M < M2 (hopefully). ***Cue IEDEI to argue vigoriously here that his 135is is better***

My previous post wasn't intended to laud the 1M over the M235 - performance-wise, it should be better than the M235. I think a lot of 1M owners (rightfully) think that they have a very special, hard to obtain car...but much of that was put into place by BMW's idiotic approach to how many were to be sold. Many people who wanted one couldn't get one, and not because the car was too expensive.

If we do indeed see an M2, I would expect it to be better, performance-wise, than the 1M in every way. Doesn't mean someone can't like the 1M better for subjective reasons, but facts are facts. I like the E46 M3 better than the E92. Doesn't mean the E92 isn't a better car in every measurable way, which it is.

Couldn't agree more.
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I have read several reviews for the M235i (Bimmer, Automobile, European Car, etc.) and they all have been surprisingly positive. However, all were with an automatic transmission. I would like to see a review with a manual and then a comparison test before I pass judgment. I hope it does better than the 435i versus Audi S5 review in Car and Driver. Until at least then, I will continue to enjoy my 135i.
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Yes, not factual......for one there are no 1Ms running around the neighborhood. you never see one, they are extremely rare. Second, the performance might be on par but not the experience. The 1M was loud..with real exhaust sound not digital track enhanced. Braking performance might be on par for 1 or two stops but the 1M had the M3 composite cross drilled floating disk design which dissipates heat better in multiple stops/track. it also came with Michelin PS2s not the better Pilot SuperSports on the 235i. Most 1Ms now have the Supersports. Also, the M235i is heavier than 1M which will eventually add to brake heat, etc. One real advantage of the 235i is the longer wheelbase and better aerodynamics. The 1M was a handful and would easily go sideways on you and at high speed, air would work against it.

This is one advantage of the new model. Also, the throttle response seems better too but that is the only advantage I see after driving both.

What the writer is saying is that the numbers are close...and how it gets those numbers is not that important. The excitement factor and sensory overload of the 1M is what makes it special even if eventually the newer digitally enhanced cars post better numbers. The whole character of the 1M was clearly defined as maybe not supercar fast, but exciting in real world situations.
So you're saying that the writer made up the story about him having a 1M in his neighborhood? That's strange. I see a black 1M on my commute weekly. It still looks great. For the advantages the 1M has, actual M suspension and fatter rubber, these cars are pretty much neck and neck.

I'm excited about the upcoming M2. It should be significantly better than the 1M with the suspension and tire upgrades, and an available DCT. Exciting times are ahead.
I know right!!?? There are four 1M's in my city (..one from this forum; he's my neighbor and has a very popular 1M coupe). Rare cars indeed, but not so rare that it's impossible to see a few daily, especially in Southern California.
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I'll have to wait for the M2 or end up going for the M4. Maybe it was only because I only experienced that "initial" feeling he was talking about. Although it looked a little smaller, it felt way heavier than my 09 335i but the power did kind of even if up a little bit. I haven't looked up any of the numbers in direct comparison yet though so that may have just been my butt dyno. It definitely handled equally as well as my 335i, but I wouldn't say it really did any better.

I will say I love the styling way more than the 135i, but the 135i actually felt more nimble. I'm really confused on why the M badge is anywhere on this car at all personally after driving it. It's just going to confuse people.

The 1M weighed about the same as my 335i but it handled the weight waaaay better. It actually felt lighter than it was. I haven't driven the new 435i yet, but as long as it hasn't gotten too much heavier than the previous model it would likely get my vote over the M235i. I don't feel like that's too difficult either.

I'm not saying the M235i isn't a fun car, but it just seems like BMW missed something with it. Something crucial. Will I co-drive one at my next autocross event? Yep. Will I buy one? Nope. But, to each their own. This is only one mans opinion.
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I'm happy to hear that the 0-60 times are actually pretty decent even without launch control being used.
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Those zero to 60 numbers are with 1 ft roll out worth .3 seconds. They might even be temperature corrected. However, it is a great car. Probably not different enough from my 135i with PPK to trade, however.
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My brain nearly melted when he said the M235i "looks much better than 1M."
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They don't use a rollout and those that do indicate that they do so.

I'm impressed with the skid pad number.
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Poor write up. It was nearly all factual. Nothing about its real driving experience.
Yes, not factual......for one there are no 1Ms running around the neighborhood. you never see one, they are extremely rare. Second, the performance might be on par but not the experience. The 1M was loud..with real exhaust sound not digital track enhanced. Braking performance might be on par for 1 or two stops but the 1M had the M3 composite cross drilled floating disk design which dissipates heat better in multiple stops/track. it also came with Michelin PS2s not the better Pilot SuperSports on the 235i. Most 1Ms now have the Supersports. Also, the M235i is heavier than 1M which will eventually add to brake heat, etc. One real advantage of the 235i is the longer wheelbase and better aerodynamics. The 1M was a handful and would easily go sideways on you and at high speed, air would work against it.

This is one advantage of the new model. Also, the throttle response seems better too but that is the only advantage I see after driving both.

What the writer is saying is that the numbers are close...and how it gets those numbers is not that important. The excitement factor and sensory overload of the 1M is what makes it special even if eventually the newer digitally enhanced cars post better numbers. The whole character of the 1M was clearly defined as maybe not supercar fast, but exciting in real world situations.
It's posts like these that make frequenting this forum worthwhile. Great real-world comparison between the two platforms and much better insight than that motor trend journo... +1
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There's a guy in the comments insisting that the M235i isn't a "purist" car because MT isn't available.

*crickets*
Haha I saw that too. The comments that follow are awesome. Even the moderator basically tells that idiot he's... well, an idiot!
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Agree. BMW should have carried over Valencia orange from the M135i
they're saving that color for the m2
I believe it is available on the 228, so no saving there if they wanted to associate it with the highend ones
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Yes, not factual......for one there are no 1Ms running around the neighborhood. you never see one, they are extremely rare.
Ummm...negatory in my neighborhood. Saw two yesterday - one white one driven by a woman, and then an orange one later in the day.
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Yes, not factual......for one there are no 1Ms running around the neighborhood. you never see one, they are extremely rare.
Ummm...negatory in my neighborhood. Saw two yesterday - one white one driven by a woman, and then an orange one later in the day.
Iv seen a few in my neighborhood as well. A white one and an orange one.
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Poor write up. It was nearly all factual. Nothing about its real driving experience.
Yes, not factual......for one there are no 1Ms running around the neighborhood. you never see one, they are extremely rare. Second, the performance might be on par but not the experience. The 1M was loud..with real exhaust sound not digital track enhanced. Braking performance might be on par for 1 or two stops but the 1M had the M3 composite cross drilled floating disk design which dissipates heat better in multiple stops/track. it also came with Michelin PS2s not the better Pilot SuperSports on the 235i. Most 1Ms now have the Supersports. Also, the M235i is heavier than 1M which will eventually add to brake heat, etc. One real advantage of the 235i is the longer wheelbase and better aerodynamics. The 1M was a handful and would easily go sideways on you and at high speed, air would work against it.

This is one advantage of the new model. Also, the throttle response seems better too but that is the only advantage I see after driving both.

What the writer is saying is that the numbers are close...and how it gets those numbers is not that important. The excitement factor and sensory overload of the 1M is what makes it special even if eventually the newer digitally enhanced cars post better numbers. The whole character of the 1M was clearly defined as maybe not supercar fast, but exciting in real world situations.
It's posts like these that make frequenting this forum worthwhile. Great real-world comparison between the two platforms and much better insight than that motor trend journo... +1
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I'm a Huge 1M Coupe Fan but some of these fanboys needs to take a chill pill...

No one is actually saying the m235i is 'better' and an actually replacement for the 1M...

People who feel threatened that their 1 Series are going to be 'overshadowed' by the 2 series needs to grow some balls.

The most Arrogant statement One can make is NOT the fact that the 2Series will be an improvement on a 5-6 year old Model... The most arrogant/ignorant statement will be trying to assert that the 1series is superior to the 2Series when the 2Series was developed by BMW to succeed the 1series... + I mean the 2Series is hardly even out and people are getting their panties up in their croutches...
Accurate statement, I drive a 135 and loooove the M235i. If it only had another 60hp, I'd be in it.
I would expect such a figure from the M2...probably not +60, more like north of +30hp. Time will certainly tell.
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Orange 1M in my development as well. Local dealer just got an M235i. Looks good in person.
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With jb4 it can hit mid 12 easy
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With jb4 it can hit mid 12 easy
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