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      12-17-2013, 06:39 PM   #1
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To those who have access to a 2 series vehicle - or have previously had the chance and paid attention to the interior - how is the quality of the door trims? Are they soft to touch and have 'give' when gently pressed? I found that the door trims on the current 1 series are quite hard, even the parts wrapped in leather. You have to push really hard for the trim to have any 'give' and for me it really downgrades the feel of the interior.
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Soft-touch plastics in the door trims ? Really ? For me it only matters on contact points, I don't care if the rest is soft-touch, it should only be durable and hard to scratch. That being said I find plastics in 1 series of better quality than in some newer designs such as X1. The reason is because in 1 series they have almost the same texture top to bottom (granted, they are harder at the bottom but in X1 they are really nasty and jarring there). It doesn't bide well for 2 series if it follows this trend, but for me it wouldn't be enough to dismiss the car.
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      12-17-2013, 07:53 PM   #3
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By door trims I mean around the armrest, around the handle where you pull the door closed and around the plastic panel where the power window switches are.
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      12-19-2013, 04:22 PM   #4
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I presume it will be quite similar to the F30. Go test that out.
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      12-28-2013, 03:58 PM   #5
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I am guessing the new 2 will be full of hard plastic.

My guess is the entire lower dash, the entire center console, and the lower door panels. The dash hump behind the steering wheel also has a good chance of being hard plastic. I think it will pretty much have hard plastic in all the same areas as the X1.

I've read that the production cost between a full on 100% soft touch interior and a cheap hard plastic interior is about $200.

It's a shame what BMW is doing to its interiors these days in cars costing $50,000. Why do I have to buy a 7 series to get a nice interior? Why can't I buy a small car with a nice interior.
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I am guessing the new 2 will be full of hard plastic.

My guess is the entire lower dash, the entire center console, and the lower door panels. The dash hump behind the steering wheel also has a good chance of being hard plastic. I think it will pretty much have hard plastic in all the same areas as the X1.

I've read that the production cost between a full on 100% soft touch interior and a cheap hard plastic interior is about $200.

It's a shame what BMW is doing to its interiors these days in cars costing $50,000. Why do I have to buy a 7 series to get a nice interior? Why can't I buy a small car with a nice interior.
Yeah I was looking at interior pics of the 2 and the new Mercedes C class and damn, it is a whole different world in the Benz.
Interestingly both are not so far away from each other in official prices here in Germany.

For the first time I might even consider switching to Mercedes...
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The C looks way better
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The C looks way better
Seriously! I'm eyeing that Benz now..
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      12-29-2013, 03:22 PM   #9
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Seriously! I'm eyeing that Benz now..
Ditto. And while awaiting the new M235 or maybe another M3 I went to buy a 3er this past summer and finally compared it to a C350. Long story short...I went with the Benz. Even the "old" 2013 interior in the Mercedes was a premium product compared to the cheap plastics found in the 1's and 3's. It's a shame BMW won't commit to a class-act interior in their lower priced models (and I use the term "lower priced" loosely).

The incoming C Class interior is stunning and the premium materials being offered speak volumes about Mercedes' commitment to growing their market. If they've paid similar attention to driving dynamics with the new model, my switch might just be a permanent one.
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Ditto. And while awaiting the new M235 or maybe another M3 I went to buy a 3er this past summer and finally compared it to a C350. Long story short...I went with the Benz. Even the "old" 2013 interior in the Mercedes was a premium product compared to the cheap plastics found in the 1's and 3's. It's a shame BMW won't commit to a class-act interior in their lower priced models (and I use the term "lower priced" loosely).

The incoming C Class interior is stunning and the premium materials being offered speak volumes about Mercedes' commitment to growing their market. If they've paid similar attention to driving dynamics with the new model, my switch might just be a permanent one.
I'm also hoping to get into a 2 series after my current F30. I really do like it but the new C-Class really cannot go unnoticed right now.

Interestingly, my final two choices were the F30 and the C-Class coupe, but decided to go with the F30 due to the amazing trade-in I was getting from BMW.
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If they've paid similar attention to driving dynamics with the new model, my switch might just be a permanent one.
At least from what I've read about the new C, they did.

They now also have some switch as BMW to change engine/gearbox/damper characteristics between eco/comfort/sport etc.

Also they are offering a sport suspension (-15mm) and a sporty power-steering with the AMG package.

I checked and for me a better equipped C would cost me 7k€ more than a 2 series going by factory prices. But thats with AMG package/Full LED headlights and most of the other stuff except the safety assist systems.

AND whats even more important: Mercedes does NOT limit good colors to different lines!!! I can have dark blue with the AMG package.

Why the F... BMW can't I have some dark blue with the M package?
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I'm also hoping to get into a 2 series after my current F30. I really do like it but the new C-Class really cannot go unnoticed right now.

Interestingly, my final two choices were the F30 and the C-Class coupe, but decided to go with the F30 due to the amazing trade-in I was getting from BMW.
And my dismal trade in allowance (on my X5) from my beloved BMW dealer was the icing on the cake that pushed me over the edge and into my Mercedes; a whopping $3,000 difference. So if I end up staying with Mercedes in the future, it's their fault lol!!
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At least from what I've read about the new C, they did.

They now also have some switch as BMW to change engine/gearbox/damper characteristics between eco/comfort/sport etc.

Also they are offering a sport suspension (-15mm) and a sporty power-steering with the AMG package.

I checked and for me a better equipped C would cost me 7k€ more than a 2 series going by factory prices. But thats with AMG package/Full LED headlights and most of the other stuff except the safety assist systems.

AND whats even more important: Mercedes does NOT limit good colors to different lines!!! I can have dark blue with the AMG package.

Why the F... BMW can't I have some dark blue with the M package?
Yes I'm anxious to read how the AMG pkg'd car performs. And I'm very anxious to hear about the real deal.....the upcoming C55 AMG or whatever they're going to call it. This one and the M235 can't really be cross shopped but a fully jammed M235 here will come in at about 62k (Cdn) and I'd suspect a C400 with AMG pkg will be about the same. If the C55 adds another 10k or so, well it might just be time to splurge.

And ditto the color choices for MB. Good for them!!!
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i hope that Scott guy is reading our complains instead of telling us bmw is moving to a customers demand direction
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i hope that Scott guy is reading our complains instead of telling us bmw is moving to a customers demand direction
He will only chime in to tell us that we really really should love the i3 or the BMW minivan.

We used to get good info from the multitude of people that comment under that screen name. Now we just get fed marketing Kool-Aid of whatever agenda BMW wants to push at a particular time.

It's not likely to change back either...
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.....which is really too bad. Great couple of posts before this one.....and brutally honest.
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And my dismal trade in allowance (on my X5) from my beloved BMW dealer was the icing on the cake that pushed me over the edge and into my Mercedes; a whopping $3,000 difference. So if I end up staying with Mercedes in the future, it's their fault lol!!
I can't believe MB bettered BMW's offer! That's unheard of!
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Yea and when you talk bad at so call Scott, Jason will find anything to give you a forum warning lol
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I have a new 320 loaner while the 335 is in the shop. Absolutely hate the display and how they cut a slot in the dash, slid the display on a plastic case, and glued it to the dash. The rest of the interior lacks sport seats and premium leather (hey, it is a loaner after all) and looks ok. Getting a loaner is one reason I pay a premium for BMW, but this car sucks and driving it only serves to get me from point A to B. Center console, cup holders, etc just don't make sense. No good place for my phone. If the 235 interior is comparable, I'm probably done with BMW for a while.
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It seems to me that BMW isn't really trying with their interiors. Audi has been at the top of the class for interior quality and Mercedes are obviously stepping things up to bring the fight to Audi. Meanwhile I found a Kia Forte's interior had better plastics quality than the 1 series hatch. BMW's effort is not good enough.
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It seems to me that BMW isn't really trying with their interiors. Audi has been at the top of the class for interior quality and Mercedes are obviously stepping things up to bring the fight to Audi. Meanwhile I found a Kia Forte's interior had better plastics quality than the 1 series hatch. BMW's effort is not good enough.
Your comment about the Kia interior is absolutely true.

It is embarrassing showing people your $50k car with a worse interior than a Kia.
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While some people don't place a priority on soft-touch plastics, this can be a real benefit at trade-in time. Hard plastic tends to scuff very easily which can make the car look more 'used'. Soft plastics have some 'give' when pressed and generally will not mark as easily. Car looks newer for longer, which benefits your resale value.
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