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      10-11-2013, 03:43 PM   #133
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I am hoping for a lower roof line to go with the longer front, and a lower seating position that is more sporty than compact car.
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      10-11-2013, 04:06 PM   #134
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I am hoping for a lower roof line to go with the longer front, and a lower seating position that is more sporty than compact car.
It still shares the platform with the 1er hatch, so that's not going to change. It does make for a slightly odd looking car though I agree.
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      10-11-2013, 06:05 PM   #135
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Not that there's a problem or anything....so BMW is releasing a new 2 Series which is not consistent with their new GEN designs (headlights and grill integration)?
They probably realized that the "GEN" design is a failure. I just can't believe how much more beautiful the new BMWs can be, but they're not.
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      10-11-2013, 06:59 PM   #136
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I would be "IN" with purchasing one of these (not selling my E46's yet)
If i could spec it like this:
4 cyl turbo tucked back by the fire wall (48/52 weight dis)
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Do i have a chance????
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      10-11-2013, 07:14 PM   #137
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Sunroof delete
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think a sunroof is standard on any US-spec 128i, 320i or 328i. Thus, if you're talking about 4-cylinder 2er, I'd be surprised if there's a standard sunroof.
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      10-11-2013, 07:53 PM   #138
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Yep. And no air breather vents on side fenders.
Just the idiotic M badges
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      10-11-2013, 08:11 PM   #139
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They probably realized that the "GEN" design is a failure. I just can't believe how much more beautiful the new BMWs can be, but they're not.
Failure????
Last thing the new design of BMW is, is failure...
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      10-11-2013, 09:41 PM   #140
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I would be "IN" with purchasing one of these (not selling my E46's yet)
If i could spec it like this:
4 cyl turbo tucked back by the fire wall (48/52 weight dis)
M sport equipt
Sunroof delete
Manual/heated seats with Cloth/Alcantera
Mechanical locking rear dif
6 sp manual trans
MSRP 32K


Do i have a chance????
NO.

sorry, man.
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      10-12-2013, 07:38 AM   #141
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I'm gonna miss the third stop on the trunk lid...that was a nice feature on the 1er coupe
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      10-12-2013, 08:30 AM   #142
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That's like comparing a 3 series to a Camry.
But it makes 3er/4er drivers feel good to make fun of the smaller, lighter, sportier car. Get used to it.
Not it at all...looks just don't do it for me. However, the shots of the 235i MSport in action do.

Still think all the line expansions going on will lead to market saturation in the end. Great for consumers, but bad for profits.
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      10-12-2013, 10:08 PM   #143
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it's funny how some people say the design is outdated... man this car looks as modern as possible. and there's just no arguable elements in the design at all.
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I like the size a whole lot more than the bloated 4er, and I definitely think the design is a lot less off-putting than the 1 series. (I know a lot of people around here like that car, but I cant count on one hand the amount of times i've heard "The 135 would be the perfect car.. if it wasn't the ugliest/goofiest/effeminate looking car on the road"

I just wish they gave it the N54
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I like the size a whole lot more than the bloated 4er, and I definitely think the design is a lot less off-putting than the 1 series. (I know a lot of people around here like that car, but I cant count on one hand the amount of times i've heard "The 135 would be the perfect car.. if it wasn't the ugliest/goofiest/effeminate looking car on the road"

I just wish they gave it the N54
honestly bmw peeps are always annoyed by the 1 series because it is THE spiritual successor of older BMWs.....bar none. there hasn't been any other car in the BMW lineup in recent years that is able to capture the old school BMW spirit like the 1 series has. it's way more fun to drive than the 3....it looks funky like older BMWs and not generic like the more mainstream bimmers.....and it has character.....plenty of it! your loss, mate!

the 2er is growing on me a bit....but it needs a shot of character. I hope the 235 styling gives it a bit of boost in the attitude department!
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      10-13-2013, 07:42 PM   #146
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honestly bmw peeps are always annoyed by the 1 series because it is THE spiritual successor of older BMWs.....bar none. there hasn't been any other car in the BMW lineup in recent years that is able to capture the old school BMW spirit like the 1 series has. it's way more fun to drive than the 3....it looks funky like older BMWs and not generic like the more mainstream bimmers.....and it has character.....plenty of it! your loss, mate!

the 2er is growing on me a bit....but it needs a shot of character. I hope the 235 styling gives it a bit of boost in the attitude department!
The 1er may be the the spiritual successor of older bmw's from a driving perspective, but from a design perspective, I dont think so at all. When I think of BMWs, the first ones that come to mind are the E34, E36, E39, and E46... all of which were relatively boxy/squarish cars. Very german. The 1 series has to be the most round, bulbous bmw ever made.

Im agreeing that the 1 series has merit from a driving perspective. Granted, it wasn't out when I got my E92, but I think a lot of E92 owners/E90 owners would have picked the E82 had it not been for its radical styling. Hence why a lot of us are keeping close eyes on the 2. I didn't want/need a car as big as the E9x, and I'll be the first to acknowledge its shortcomings as a "fun car".

If the 2 can nail the driving dynamics in a way resembling to the E46/E82 without trying to do so much with its design, I think it will be a much more popular car than the E82 was. This is a good thing, because the new 3, 5, and 6s are pretty big letdowns for BMW faithful, and the 4 series has now gone more A5/Eclass coupe than driving machine. i understand BMW has to put business first, and that means appealing to badge snobs and people who want a comfortable, well rounded car... but it'd be pretty cool if I could have a comfortable 3200 pound daily driver that gave up some luxuries for the sake of fun.

And I mean no disrespect with my opinions of the E82's styling. If you like it, then that's all that matters. Thumbs up
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      10-13-2013, 09:47 PM   #147
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honestly bmw peeps are always annoyed by the 1 series because it is THE spiritual successor of older BMWs.....bar none. there hasn't been any other car in the BMW lineup in recent years that is able to capture the old school BMW spirit like the 1 series has. it's way more fun to drive than the 3....it looks funky like older BMWs and not generic like the more mainstream bimmers.....and it has character.....plenty of it! your loss, mate!

the 2er is growing on me a bit....but it needs a shot of character. I hope the 235 styling gives it a bit of boost in the attitude department!
As one who had 3 of the 2002s back in the day, and a number of other BMWs over the years, the current 1 Series, and hopefully, the upcoming 2 Series, are the apex of what BMW is all about for me. Badge snobs can look elsewhere.
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honestly bmw peeps are always annoyed by the 1 series because it is THE spiritual successor of older BMWs.....bar none. there hasn't been any other car in the BMW lineup in recent years that is able to capture the old school BMW spirit like the 1 series has. it's way more fun to drive than the 3....it looks funky like older BMWs and not generic like the more mainstream bimmers.....and it has character.....plenty of it! your loss, mate!

the 2er is growing on me a bit....but it needs a shot of character. I hope the 235 styling gives it a bit of boost in the attitude department!
So when something is ugly it really just has character?

Older BMW's are not funky. The E46 M3 is one best looking BMW's ever. The 135i is just goofy junk.
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The 1er may be the the spiritual successor of older bmw's from a driving perspective, but from a design perspective, I dont think so at all. When I think of BMWs, the first ones that come to mind are the E34, E36, E39, and E46... all of which were relatively boxy/squarish cars. Very german. The 1 series has to be the most round, bulbous bmw ever made.
Exactly. In terms of design the 1er is . Can't deny the performance aspect though.
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Exactly. In terms of design the 1er is . Can't deny the performance aspect though.
Looks are very subjective. I, for example, do not find Angelina Jolie to be very attractive. Many people do...the point is that you can like what you like and I can like what I like...

The quirky nature of the E82 styling gave the car character, in my opinion...and it looks great to me from certain angles. the only thing I was never that fond of were the headlights...those could have been done much better.

I am excited for the 2 series...but the shots I have seen, it almost looks like a shrunken down love child of the 3 and 4. Which I am not sure I love at this point...I have my production number reserved, so I am getting one, but I hope there is still some defining characteristics, similar to the E82...
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Exactly. In terms of design the 1er is . Can't deny the performance aspect though.
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So when something is ugly it really just has character?

Older BMW's are not funky. The E46 M3 is one best looking BMW's ever. The 135i is just goofy junk.
Goofy junk my ass....Indeed the 1 series looks are controversial but the many many many of us 1 series addicts quite disagree with you and dmboon25 take on the looks of the car..
After driving the 3 series..all of them to the current 2013 models all i can say is that the 1 series feels like am amazing bargain compared to any 3 series including the M3 from any year. It just has attitude and a hyper attitude that only the E46 had when pressing it to 8000 rpms....my old 1 series had that at 2000 rpms and at the moment a 2008-2010 N4 used is one of the BEST buy's on the market right now...and some of us feel it's a good looking "funky" car with soul....
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What are the expectations for LED taillights and turn signals on the 2 series?
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The 1 coupe doesn't look that bad. It only has these weird smiling rocker panels. I do like that it is very reminiscent of the 2002 with its narrow look.

It seems that the new 2 will depart from that tradition and look more usual, like a miniature f30, or more like a modernized e46.

The 1 hatch headlights are quite ugly, and the rest is rather uninspiring.
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