[bryan_G01]

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...tire-shootout/

Great read...

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...tire-shootout/

Great read...

I read the article and there didn't seem to be a clear winner...maybe the Potenza RE-71R?

So I again ask the question to BP, what's a better, grippier tire than the PSS in 235/40-18 and 265/35-18?

I've already been warned against the Toyo Proxes R888 for street use. Thinking of the RE-71Rs given cheaper relative cost and reviews.

Anybody have experience with the RE-71Rs?

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

I read the article and there didn't seem to be a clear winner...maybe the Potenza RE-71R?

So I again ask the question to BP, what's a better, grippier tire than the PSS in 235/40-18 and 265/35-18?

I've already been warned against the Toyo Proxes R888 for street use. Thinking of the RE-71Rs given cheaper relative cost and reviews.

Anybody have experience with the RE-71Rs?

I have 245-40-17 for the track and they are pretty good but it's my first dedicated track set so don't have anything to compare against...

They are a bit loud for the street I had them for a few weeks while I was waiting my alignment appointment and they were noticeably louder like you hear like a buzzing sound

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

I have 245-40-17 for the track and they are pretty good but it's my first dedicated track set so don't have anything to compare against...

They are a bit loud for the street I had them for a few weeks while I was waiting my alignment appointment and they were noticeably louder like you hear like a buzzing sound

The R888s or RE-71Rs?

I miss the days of buying used track tires on the cheap and using them for 2 or 3 track days. Ran Hankooks and Hoosiers! So sticky. So not forgiving.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

The R888s or RE-71Rs?

I miss the days of buying used track tires on the cheap and using them for 2 or 3 track days. Ran Hankooks and Hoosiers! So sticky. So not forgiving.

RE-71R

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

RE-71R

But you'd recommend them? You've driven stock PSSs.... How do they compare?

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

But you'd recommend them? You've driven stock PSSs.... How do they compare?

Yeah... I really like them... but at the same time is kind of unfair comparison cause PSS are staggered while this are 245 square...

Also on the first track day with PSS and without LCA the shoulders got killed....
The RE-71R shoulders didn't break a sweat but I was already running the LCA...

RE-71R sidewall seems much stiffer so it will let you run lower PSI without destroying the shoulders next time I'll probably run 34F 32R cold

I estimate about 15 events as I have 3 on now and about 80% tread left

For the street I would use PSS cause they are quieter.... for the track the RE-71R.... If I had to pick one for mix street-track is really tough... just buy a dedicated set

PSS is a 300 rating tire and RE-71R 200 so they will wear faster

[Rudy@tirerack]

The PSS is without a doubt the best option for the street. Smooth, quiet, very good in the wet, sticky in the dry. With all that performance, it still wears better than most.

The RE-71R is really designed as a auto cross tire. This tire heats up very quickly and can throw down some very fast times. While it can be used for track days, it does not handle the higher temps as well as the R888 does. Like most "extreme performance" tires, if you continue the to push the RE-71R on the track it will over heat and the performance will start to drop off. Once the tire gets this hot, it will begin to wear very quickly. This would be a good tire for someone who just having fun and uses their car for auto-x, track, driving and street. While it can do everything well, it really is best for quick auto-x sprints.

In my opinion R888 is a better match for someone who is looking for a dedicated track tire and still wants decent tread life. The R888 will handle the higher temps for a longer period of time.

[bryan_G01]

for track only its a really different story.

The pilot cups, the trofeo, hoosiers and bridgestones are all good.
I liked the starspec for rain.

[overcoil]

Originally Posted by Keith@tirerack.com

The PSS is without a doubt the best option for the street. Smooth, quiet, very good in the wet, sticky in the dry. With all that performance, it still wears better than most.

The RE-71R is really designed as a auto cross tire. This tire heats up very quickly and can throw down some very fast times. While it can be used for track days, it does not handle the higher temps as well as the R888 does. Like most "extreme performance" tires, if you continue the to push the RE-71R on the track it will over heat and the performance will start to drop off. Once the tire gets this hot, it will begin to wear very quickly. This would be a good tire for someone who just having fun and uses their car for auto-x, track, driving and street. While it can do everything well, it really is best for quick auto-x sprints.

In my opinion R888 is a better match for someone who is looking for a dedicated track tire and still wants decent tread life. The R888 will handle the higher temps for a longer period of time.

Keith any comment on the Michelin PSS that are OEM 88/92 load rating BMW Star. And the PSS that are 92/92 load rating but not BMW Star ?

Do you think the front tires are just about identical or are their variations that are noticeable either driving, wear or noise ?

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Keith@tirerack.com

The PSS is without a doubt the best option for the street. Smooth, quiet, very good in the wet, sticky in the dry. With all that performance, it still wears better than most.

The RE-71R is really designed as a auto cross tire. This tire heats up very quickly and can throw down some very fast times. While it can be used for track days, it does not handle the higher temps as well as the R888 does. Like most "extreme performance" tires, if you continue the to push the RE-71R on the track it will over heat and the performance will start to drop off. Once the tire gets this hot, it will begin to wear very quickly. This would be a good tire for someone who just having fun and uses their car for auto-x, track, driving and street. While it can do everything well, it really is best for quick auto-x sprints.

In my opinion R888 is a better match for someone who is looking for a dedicated track tire and still wants decent tread life. The R888 will handle the higher temps for a longer period of time.

Thanks Keith. So if I wanted something stickier on the street (my car is putting down almost 400wtq to the rear wheels) than the PSS, would the RE-71R be a better choice? I'm running 265s on wider wheels right now.

And would the RE71R outperform the PSS on the track? Road course, not autoX.

Thanks!

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Thanks Keith. So if I wanted something stickier on the street (my car is putting down almost 400wtq to the rear wheels) than the PSS, would the RE-71R be a better choice? I'm running 265s on wider wheels right now.

And would the RE71R outperform the PSS on the track? Road course, not autoX.

Thanks!

Another good option are the Hankook RS3-V2s. They handle heat very well, and are not very expensive. Not great in the rain, but you don't use them for that.

Also, of course, Dunlop ZII Star Specs. Great tires, but a little loud, and quite unforgiving.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Liquidpaper

Another good option are the Hankook RS3-V2s. They handle heat very well, and are not very expensive. Not great in the rain, but you don't use them for that.

Also, of course, Dunlop ZII Star Specs. Great tires, but a little loud, and quite unforgiving.

Thanks!

Both > than PSS?

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Thanks!

Both > than PSS?

For track use? Definitely.

For street use? No. Both are quite loud and don't have great wet traction.

[Rudy@tirerack]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Thanks Keith. So if I wanted something stickier on the street (my car is putting down almost 400wtq to the rear wheels) than the PSS, would the RE-71R be a better choice? I'm running 265s on wider wheels right now.

And would the RE71R outperform the PSS on the track? Road course, not autoX.

Thanks!

The RE-71R is definitely stickier than the PSS. It would outperform the PSS is just about every handling situation.
Although there are some disadvantages: wet traction, ride quality and tread life would all be lower than the PSS.
The RE-71R is designed to be as close to a R-compound tire, while still being street legal. So you can drive these on the street, but be aware, it will wear quickly, it will ride stiffer, and it will not provide as good of wet traction.

[Rudy@tirerack]

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

Keith any comment on the Michelin PSS that are OEM 88/92 load rating BMW Star. And the PSS that are 92/92 load rating but not BMW Star ?

Do you think the front tires are just about identical or are their variations that are noticeable either driving, wear or noise ?

With this car or any BMW's, the BMW star rated tires are OE spec.
We are told that BMW works with the tire manufacture to develop a tire that works best with that certain BMW model. Unfortunately, they do not tell us what they do to change the tire.
If you are replacing less than 4 tires, I would recommend matching what is on the car. If you are replacing all 4, I see no real problem going to the non-star tires.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Keith@tirerack.com

The RE-71R is definitely stickier than the PSS. It would outperform the PSS is just about every handling situation.
Although there are some disadvantages: wet traction, ride quality and tread life would all be lower than the PSS.
The RE-71R is designed to be as close to a R-compound tire, while still being street legal. So you can drive these on the street, but be aware, it will wear quickly, it will ride stiffer, and it will not provide as good of wet traction.

Thanks Keith, you definitely addressed one of my key concerns about the RE71R, the quick wear.

I also saw you guys carry the Direzza Star Spec, and the reviews seemed better than the RE71R. What are your thoughts?

[Rudy@tirerack]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Thanks Keith, you definitely addressed one of my key concerns about the RE71R, the quick wear.

I also saw you guys carry the Direzza Star Spec, and the reviews seemed better than the RE71R. What are your thoughts?

To get anything stickier than the Michelin PSS, you will give up tread life. All of the tires in the "extreme performance summer" category are going to wear quickly.
If you are concerned with tread life, I would stick with the PSS tires.

[Anthony235]

My last couple sets have been RS3 as my go to street/track tire, but I'll be trying the Kumho v720 next.

I think the Rs3 is a last gen tire now.

[x233]

Anyone tried Toyo Proxes R1R on m235i yet?
(I have them on my other car, these and Yoko AD08R).

[Mywifes335]

Ok guys, Liquidpaper , bryan_f22 , pikcachu , keith@tirerack thanks for your help.

Based on your responses, I think I'm between the RE71R and the Direzza Star Specs. From the Tirerack customer reviews, the Star Specs seem to wear better and more evenly without giving up too much in performance versus the RE71Rs. In fact, sounds like the Direzzas are better under extreme heat?

What do you guys think? I am aware these will be louder and I'm sacrificing wet traction. However, I'll be in DFW and seldomly driving in the rain. Grip is key. Need to get power to the ground.

[bryan_G01]

re71... lots of goodness in these tires if you don't mind the noise.

Starspecs are great too.