[mjposner]

I currently have an E93 M3 and would be interested in an M2 Convertible next fall. Any news or rumors?? If the M2 starts at 51k, I suspect the Vert would start at $60k

[fuddman]

Not sure if it's 2017; but, I think it's coming and sooner than expected.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by fuddman

Not sure if it's 2017; but, I think it's coming and sooner than expected.

Jesus. Somethingbout convertibles, just kills the whole look of the car for me.

[mjposner]

"Jesus. Somethingbout (sic) convertibles, just kills the whole look of the car for me." You can't look at the car when you are driving, and with the top down on a glorious sunny day, you just won't care. If I wanted to be sealed in a cocoon, I would stay inside. Get out, top down and just drive!

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by mjposner

"Jesus. Somethingbout (sic) convertibles, just kills the whole look of the car for me." You can't look at the car when you are driving, and with the top down on a glorious sunny day, you just won't care. If I wanted to be sealed in a cocoon, I would stay inside. Get out, top down and just drive!

You also give up chassis rigidity and the ability to take it on a track without a roll cage.

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

You also give up chassis rigidity and the ability to take it on a track without a roll cage.

That's only partially true. There are many tracks where the factory pop up roll bars are fine. I thought the same thing and did some research and found there were plenty of places I could take the vert on the track, even if some tracks have specific other regulations.

NASA HPDE's include the 1 series which have the same pop up roll bars as the 2 series.

For those of us that live in areas with nice weather and don't want a track rat, vert's are awesome. I forgot how much I missed the sun before getting my 235.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

You also give up chassis rigidity and the ability to take it on a track without a roll cage.

I've not done it with mine, but people on here have tracked, for example, their E93s. And they didn't mention roll cages.
If you own a convertible and want to track it, I guess you have to let go of the idea you're going to be first across the finish line or whatever "winning" is in trackland.

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by fuddman

I've not done it with mine, but people on here have tracked, for example, their E93s. And they didn't mention roll cages.
If you own a convertible and want to track it, I guess you have to let go of the idea you're going to be first across the finish line or whatever "winning" is in trackland.

Which is why vert's are still enjoyable - there is no "Winning" when it comes to a track day (Which is why it's called a track day not a race). You get to enjoy driving your very fast vehicle at the speeds it was designed for.

Chassis flex on most modern cars is always relative. Compare the chassis rigidity of any modern vert to most coupe's that were built during the 80's and 90's and you're at the same point.

Remember one of, if not the most popular track car on earth is the Miata, which coincidentally also has no roof.

[mjposner]

"You also give up chassis rigidity and the ability to take it on a track without a roll cage." Very few people track their cars, especially their daily drivers, plus the new verts are extremely rigid, my E93 is fantastic on the road.

[MikeT]

Originally Posted by mjposner

If the M2 starts at 51k

Can we stop repeating this $51k msrp thing? It's pure fantasy.

[midwest 340xi 6sp]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Jesus. Somethingbout convertibles, just kills the whole look of the car for me.

Only when the top is up for me....

[ORIGIN M.]

Nothing to do with Jesus. That beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I personally think the 1er & 2er Convertible have better proportions then the Coupe models do.

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Jesus. Something about convertibles, just kills the whole look of the car for me.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Nothing to do with Jesus. That beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I personally think the 1er & 2er Convertible have better proportions then the Coupe models do.

lol, just stating my opinion

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Cyberdemon

Which is why vert's are still enjoyable - there is no "Winning" when it comes to a track day (Which is why it's called a track day not a race). You get to enjoy driving your very fast vehicle at the speeds it was designed for.

Chassis flex on most modern cars is always relative. Compare the chassis rigidity of any modern vert to most coupe's that were built during the 80's and 90's and you're at the same point.

Remember one of, if not the most popular track car on earth is the Miata, which coincidentally also has no roof.

Spec Miatas have rollcages.

Bottom line, verts inferior to hardtops when it comes to track time, rigidity and in many cases weight, especially the e93, and F83. And even the folding hardtop suffered from weight issues. The argument is basically moot.
There is the argument that people who want convertibles of sports cars are not as serious, and just want to be seen in the car. Caring more about that the added weight due to bracing, or complexity of the folding hardtop.
This argument got a lot reaction when the C7 Z06 convertible was released. Especially since the Z06 is supposed to be more track oriented. Why would one buy a vert version of a track car, unless it's just to have to car and be seen?
I guess that is the reasoning behind the Aventador Spider, Huracan Spider, All the V8 Ferrari Spyders, etc.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

lol, just stating my opinion

Ditto

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Spec Miatas have rollcages.

Bottom line, verts inferior to hardtops when it comes to track time, rigidity and in many cases weight, especially the e93, and F83. And even the folding hardtop suffered from weight issues. The argument is basically moot.
There is the argument that people who want convertibles of sports cars are not as serious, and just want to be seen in the car. Caring more about that the added weight due to bracing, or complexity of the folding hardtop.
This argument got a lot reaction when the C7 Z06 convertible was released. Especially since the Z06 is supposed to be more track oriented. Why would one buy a vert version of a track car, unless it's just to have to car and be seen?
I guess that is the reasoning behind the Aventador Spider, Huracan Spider, All the V8 Ferrari Spyders, etc.

Coupes make better track cars. Not why you buy a Convertible anyways. End of story.

People buy them for the open air feeling and to be one with the road and their surrounding.

Being seen has nothing to with it. That is the most ridiculous thing i have heard. Stupid is more like it.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by fuddman

Not sure if it's 2017; but, I think it's coming and sooner than expected.

I doubt it's ever coming, but it should for those who want a convertible experience first and foremost, but while they're at it, also want the sportiest experience possible.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by fuddman

Not sure if it's 2017; but, I think it's coming and sooner than expected.

I doubt it's ever coming, but it should for those who want a convertible experience first and foremost, but while they're at it, also want the sportiest experience possible.

Convertibles are a blast to drive in the New England Spring, Summer, Early-Fall. Sadly, the convertible season is too short.

I'd love a M2 convertible, but it would not be my track car...saving that distinction for my F80 M3 "Daily Driver".

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Coupes make better track cars. Not why you buy a Convertible anyways. End of story.

People buy them for the open air feeling and to be one with the road and their surrounding.

Being seen has nothing to with it. That is the most ridiculous thing i have heard. Stupid is more like it.

In order to be "one with the road and surroundings" you have see yourself within it. Being seen is part of that.
And being seen to many folks has a lot to do with it. People like that image. They may not want to admit it, but that is part of the reason why many, not all but a convertible. Wind in the hair, top down, and to enjoy and being seen enjoying the day. Just like with motorcycles. Why do you think many people get Harley's? To be seen, the lifestyle, the image. Or guys with sport bikes? The speed, danger, freedom, and yeah...to be seen, especially by women.

If people really wanted to be part of the surroundings and have the open air feeling, you'd see more Caterhams on the road. And more people complaining about bugs in the face.

[auf Deutsch]

In the F83's case, it also adds 500 lbs which coincidentally, would be the weight of an M2 vert....4000 lbs. Blasphemous.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

In order to be "one with the road and surroundings" you have see yourself within it. Being seen is part of that.
And being seen to many folks has a lot to do with it. People like that image. They may not want to admit it, but that is part of the reason why many, not all but a convertible. Wind in the hair, top down, and to enjoy and being seen enjoying the day. Just like with motorcycles. Why do you think many people get Harley's? To be seen, the lifestyle, the image. Or guys with sport bikes? The speed, danger, freedom, and yeah...to be seen, especially by women.

If people really wanted to be part of the surroundings and have the open air feeling, you'd see more Caterhams on the road. And more people complaining about bugs in the face.

I have seriously tinted windows and a wind blocker so you cannot see a damn thing... !

Next !

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

I have seriously tinted windows and a wind blocker so you cannot see a damn thing... !

Next !

Hahahahha

Sure, that hot soccer mom in her X6M can't see anything (or bald spot) when looking down at you while you are in your car (if a convertible)?