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      10-12-2014, 06:26 AM   #1
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Dackelone tipped me on this article: Autobild claims that the M2 will sport 374hp (consistent with BIMMERPOST's info and report) and 520Nm torque. 0-62mph/100kph in 4.3 seconds. Price would be ± 56.5K EUR for the base model (manual transmission).

Read somewhere that BMW plans to discontinue the M235i once the M2 will be released. I think BMW will have no choice, as prospective M235i buyers will likely prefer - for a few (thousand) dollars more - to get the M2.

Grim faces and cursing in some office rooms in Ingolstadt, Stuttgart and Zuffenhausen...

More M2 news: http://www.bimmerpost.com/m2/


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That would put the starting price of the US M2 right at 50k.

I wonder if they would drop the M235 to the 235i by putting the 300hp N55 and taking all the M Perf. parts off as standard. Start it under $40k.

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When creating renders why can't the media artist stick to the facts of what is known? - ie the central intake shape.
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That would put the starting price of the US M2 right at 50k.

I wonder if they would drop the M235 to the 235i by putting the 300hp N55 and taking all the M Perf. parts off as standard. Start it under $40k.
That's exactly what Scott26 said would happen, a long time ago! M235i model will be dropped when the M2 comes out. The M235i is only around right now to fill the void.


Artemis thanks for posting that AutoBild story.

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Can anyone translate? This is what I got out of it:

374 PS
520 Nm
M-Differential
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0-100kph in 4.3s
8500 euro over the M235i
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Will they keep the rear flared fenders or turn it into a bloat monster like the M4 ?
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When creating renders why can't the media artist stick to the facts of what is known? - ie the central intake shape.
haha i don't think many notice the difference between M and non-M!
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That's exactly what Scott26 said would happen, a long time ago! M235i model will be dropped when the M2 comes out. The M235i is only around right now to fill the void.


Artemis thanks for posting that AutoBild story.

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Wait really? Where did he say this?
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He also said this, 2 days ago:

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=62

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High taxes in many EU countries keep customers away from such vehicles as the X5M and X6M. The best thing regarding the BMW M Performance models is that BMW sell vast quantities of the X5 and X6 M50d to European customers to compensate for lack of M-X vehicles. The Diesel and emission levels fit within a suitable and accessible tax band in most countries so they not held back with financial penalties as the other models.

M Performance sales and M Sport models combined with standard M models as well as M Performance accessories provide significant profit, and more are coming.
Where this guy ends up is anybody's guess as well as BMW and BMW M you also have BMWi , MINI and Rolls-Royce.
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now the question is would my wife prefer M2 over Cayman.....
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That would put the starting price of the US M2 right at 50k.

I wonder if they would drop the M235 to the 235i by putting the 300hp N55 and taking all the M Perf. parts off as standard. Start it under $40k.
personally i wouldn't mind that.

though, obviously there will be at least a 2016 m235i if the M2 doesnt even begin US production until march 2016.


I personally am not sure the m2 would be for me, as i'm guessing the suspension would be pretty harsh for most commuting. if bmw was going to offer a 235i without all the extra doodads, and you could still option it back up, that seems like a good option. if anything it'd be nice if they jstu did that today, but i'm guessing they just dont want to offer that many combinations and have to track all those options
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Some facts beyond this article:

The german AutoBild reported before the release of the BMW M4, that the M4 will have 422 PS. They also told the customers, that the M4 wouldn't have a manual transmission. Now we know, the M4 has 431 PS and a manual transmission is available.

So do not take every word serious. They THINK that this "facts" maybe real, but they do not know this for sure.
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if bmw was going to offer a 235i without all the extra doodads, and you could still option it back up, that seems like a good option. if anything it'd be nice if they jstu did that today, but i'm guessing they just dont want to offer that many combinations and have to track all those options
Why not? It's their business model. (Like most other manufacturers)
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That would put the starting price of the US M2 right at 50k.

I wonder if they would drop the M235 to the 235i by putting the 300hp N55 and taking all the M Perf. parts off as standard. Start it under $40k.
More than likely well get a 220 and 228 and lost the 235 all together for the m2. The 228 will probably be renamed 230 with the new engine it'll get soon. So that "fills the void" from a marketing standpoint
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That's exactly what Scott26 said would happen, a long time ago! M235i model will be dropped when the M2 comes out. The M235i is only around right now to fill the void.


Artemis thanks for posting that AutoBild story.

Dack

I think the M2 will look leagues better than the M3/M4, based off the normal series model. It's interesting that they're dropping the M235i after the M2 drops. No 240i to fill the slot? I know Mercedes offers the CLA 250 or the CLA45 AMG and nothing in-between.
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Dropping or de-tuning the M235i because of the value it really is against the proposed M2 would greatly help our (current owners) resale value
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This is getting even more tempting, as it progresses to production.
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Dropping or de-tuning the M235i because of the value it really is against the proposed M2 would greatly help our (current owners) resale value
+1 on that the resale should hold fairly well
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"Demoting" the M235i to a 235i appears to make sense to create more distance between it and the M2. Meanwhile, the M2 is quit a ways off with a late spring 2016 debut in the USA. It will be a great car when it finally gets here.
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That would put the starting price of the US M2 right at 50k.

I wonder if they would drop the M235 to the 235i by putting the 300hp N55 and taking all the M Perf. parts off as standard. Start it under $40k.
personally i wouldn't mind that.

though, obviously there will be at least a 2016 m235i if the M2 doesnt even begin US production until march 2016.


I personally am not sure the m2 would be for me, as i'm guessing the suspension would be pretty harsh for most commuting. if bmw was going to offer a 235i without all the extra doodads, and you could still option it back up, that seems like a good option. if anything it'd be nice if they jstu did that today, but i'm guessing they just dont want to offer that many combinations and have to track all those options
I've driven the M235i, and if they adopt the same M-adaptive suspension found in the M3/4, I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how forgiving this option makes the ride quality and adjustability. This coming from someone who's driven about 5,000 miles already in my M3, in Michigan, where our roads are hardly what I would call, pleasant. Receiving praise from my pregnant (at the time), wife and extremely sensitive father in law.
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More than likely well get a 220 and 228 and lost the 235 all together for the m2. The 228 will probably be renamed 230 with the new engine it'll get soon. So that "fills the void" from a marketing standpoint
I don't see them dropping the 235i altogether. I think the other speculation here is more likely; the M235i becomes the 235i and gets the vanilla tune N55 (or whatever 3.0L turbo is mainstream at the time) right at 300 HP. The 75 HP spread, along with the dramatically better suspension on the M2 will be plenty of differentiator to draw M-buyers in to the M2.

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I've driven the M235i, and if they adopt the same M-adaptive suspension found in the M3/4, I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how forgiving this option makes the ride quality and adjustability. This coming from someone who's driven about 5,000 miles already in my M3, in Michigan, where our roads are hardly what I would call, pleasant. Receiving praise from my pregnant (at the time), wife and extremely sensitive father in law.
Word. I don't even have the adaptive suspension on my M3, and I find it just as compliant as my 135i was, if not more so.
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The M235i is the first M Performance line vehicle introduced to North America. I think it's unlikely that BMW will abandon the line, and so I think it is unlikely that the M235i will be dropped. This is especially true, as Scott26 says, in jurisdictions with high taxes on "performance cars" with lower fuel economy/higher emissions. The M2 can be sufficiently differentiated from the M235i by options, performance and price, so that there is no need to drop the model.

Despite all that, I would love to be wrong and the M235i to be discontinued. I then own a limited edition!
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