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      08-22-2014, 08:22 AM   #23
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On a side note..I believe this thread was originally from the m3/4 board but looks like its moved to here now...I think there were alot of butthurt over there lol
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      08-22-2014, 08:46 AM   #24
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No one should ever feel hurt. Its just a car and its getting cheaper by the day in depreciation. Drive and enjoy it. Its life and its short. Enjoy!
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On a side note..I believe this thread was originally from the m3/4 board but looks like its moved to here now...I think there were alot of butthurt over there lol
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      08-22-2014, 09:15 AM   #26
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On a side note..I believe this thread was originally from the m3/4 board but looks like its moved to here now...I think there were alot of butthurt over there lol
not true. it was moved to the m3/m4 versus forum: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1026023
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On a side note..I believe this thread was originally from the m3/4 board but looks like its moved to here now...I think there were alot of butthurt over there lol
not true. it was moved to the m3/m4 versus forum: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1026023
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But I feel the same way as them
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The M235i is the most car for the least money, there's just simply no debate. I wish it were a little less cute looking. My eyes, though.
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If we buy cars for bargain, we all be driving prius or taking the bus/train. We buy what we can afford and what suits us.

We all love our m235i but to say you wouldnt take the M4 is just plain silly and biased. If the M3 price range wasnt that far from the m235i, I would of own that car...no contest
I personally would take the M4 over the M235i, but it doesn't mean every person buying an M235i can't afford the M4. Just like it doesn't mean that everyone who purchases a 528i can not afford a 535i/550i/M5, or someone who purchases an E350 can't afford a E550/E63. You'll see plenty of people who live in million dollar homes who drive the "base" versions of their car. Some people can't justify paying > 50% more for 10%-20% more car, and this is just brand specific. We won't even go into Mustang GT/Corvette territory.
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If we buy cars for bargain, we all be driving prius or taking the bus/train. We buy what we can afford and what suits us.

We all love our m235i but to say you wouldnt take the M4 is just plain silly and biased. If the M3 price range wasnt that far from the m235i, I would of own that car...no contest
I personally would take the M4 over the M235i, but it doesn't mean every person buying an M235i can't afford the M4. Just like it doesn't mean that everyone who purchases a 528i can not afford a 535i/550i/M5, or someone who purchases an E350 can't afford a E550/E63. You'll see plenty of people who live in million dollar homes who drive the "base" versions of their car. Some people can't justify paying > 50% more for 10%-20% more car, and this is just brand specific. We won't even go into Mustang GT/Corvette territory.
My point is that a review shouldnt be judged by price/bargain as it is a car mag and not a financial mag.
Take price tag off and the M4 is the better car...imo
I know we all can afford a more expensive car but is our car the only priority in our life?
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My point is that a review shouldnt be judged by price/bargain as it is a car mag and not a financial mag.

I know we all can afford a more expensive car but is our car the only priority in our life?
Everyone has different priorities. My next door neighbor 10 years ago had a brand new Gallardo Spyder that cost more than his house, but he paid for both in cash. You can go to the doctors parking lot at your local hospital where the average income is $300k-$400k, you'll see Camrys parked alongside Astons and 911 Turbos.

I would assume most of the people on an automotive message board prioritize cars much more than the average consumer, hence we will spend much more of our disposable income on cars.
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My point is that a review shouldnt be judged by price/bargain as it is a car mag and not a financial mag.

I know we all can afford a more expensive car but is our car the only priority in our life?
Everyone has different priorities. My next door neighbor 10 years ago had a brand new Gallardo Spyder that cost more than his house, but he paid for both in cash. You can go to the doctors parking lot at your local hospital and where the average income is $300k-$400k, you'll see Camrys parked alongside Astons and 911 Turbos.

I would assume most of the people on an automotive message board prioritize cars much more than the average consumer, hence we will spend much more of our disposable income on cars.
Fair enough but what does this has anything to do about this review

You dont agree the M4 is the better car (minus the price)?
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A new Ferrari 458 drove by our house the other day. Gorgeous car and fantastic sound. Ignoring the price, it is probably one of the better cars on the road today... depending on your mission, of course.
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      08-22-2014, 12:22 PM   #34
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Fair enough but what does this has anything to do about this review

You dont agree the M4 is the better car (minus the price)?
That was just in reply to your comment about priorities. I of course agree that the M4 is better than the M235i, and the price difference is justifiable as well. I can also see where others might disagree with the latter.
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When I say "suit us" I meant price point, practicality, etc...but this doesnt mean I'll pick my M235i over a M4, ferrari, lambo

You telling me the M235i is the better car cuz its more of a bargain and not that the M235i is the better car. We can all afford the M4 but I too choice the m235i cuz its a better bargain and "suits" me more...but I cant deny that the M4 is the better car

So back to the car review, this isnt a financial magazine but a car enthusiast mag so lets not compare cars for better bargain..comon now
i dont buy bargains. I buy cars I like ir-respective of others opinions. If I listened to others I wouldnt buy or have bought half the cars Ive owned. Thats anything from Lotus Esprit Turbo's to Alfa Romeo's and the list goes on.

The M4 is a technical marvel that is oversized and not at all what I like in cars now. Its marginal capability over the M235i in my opinion in no way justifies the price of entry. Fully loaded I wont even look at it. I will be in a Cayman GTS and Ive got my eyes on the Alfa 4C. Both far more interesting than the M4. There is a very good chance the 4C will be in the collection soon.
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M235i with M performance fixed suspension, M performance LSD, and you have a weapon, for much cheaper than an M4.
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When I say "suit us" I meant price point, practicality, etc...but this doesnt mean I'll pick my M235i over a M4, ferrari, lambo

You telling me the M235i is the better car cuz its more of a bargain and not that the M235i is the better car. We can all afford the M4 but I too choice the m235i cuz its a better bargain and "suits" me more...but I cant deny that the M4 is the better car

So back to the car review, this isnt a financial magazine but a car enthusiast mag so lets not compare cars for better bargain..comon now
i dont buy bargains. I buy cars I like ir-respective of others opinions. If I listened to others I wouldnt buy or have bought half the cars Ive owned. Thats anything from Lotus Esprit Turbo's to Alfa Romeo's and the list goes on.

The M4 is a technical marvel that is oversized and not at all what I like in cars now. Its marginal capability over the M235i in my opinion in no way justifies the price of entry. Fully loaded I wont even look at it. I will be in a Cayman GTS and Ive got my eyes on the Alfa 4C. Both far more interesting than the M4. There is a very good chance the 4C will be in the collection soon.
I think the different perspective you and I have is the pricing (germany vs usa)...maybe??

The base m4 here is $20k more but the m4 has alot of standard options like Nav/leather/CF bits where the m235i are optional items which will increase the price.

But back to my point, this review is giving the m235i the trophy cuz its the better bargain / bang for the buck and Im trying to say its irrelevant to compare cars on price tags and not performance alone...but i guess reviews will be boring if it was just all on spec numbers
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M235i is an amazing car. It's just the 2 series feels so so so cheap. Cheaper than the old 1 series did which I liked a lot also.
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Thanks for posting. Interesting result.
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M235i is an amazing car. It's just the 2 series feels so so so cheap. Cheaper than the old 1 series did which I liked a lot also.
The old 1 series feels much cheaper inside. The 2 series is vastly improved in many areas.
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I drove both the m235i and the M4 and if you drove reasonably fast cars before, the m235i will feel unsatisfyingly slow, whereas the M4 feels quite decent in power. Moreover, the m235i is smaller but not much lighter if any. As with the gearboxes, there is absolutely no contest, the M4 DCT is worlds better than the 8-speed auto. Plus the m235i must be optioned withe the LSD if you want to use the available power for more of the time.

What I really don't like on the m235i is the lack of serious tuning capabilities for its N55 engine. The turbine is too small and the ECU is very hard to crack. If that would be possible, it would open a new world of possibilities.

Basically I would say the price difference is justified.
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Lots of insight in that article. Then again, the 135i was frequently compared to an E46 M3.
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The M4 the most exciting, B4 most sophisticated and m235 the bargain. Pretty much the way I thought it would play out.
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Can't wait to see how the M2 compares!

I think BMW is losing their focus on performance cars, especially when it comes to the standard models. For years, BMWs were the standard that all competitors were compared (and won virtually every comparison test).
Today, the 3-series and 4-series are being beaten by the competition. Even the 2-series is seeing major competition and struggling to win comparisons.
The M3/4 are becoming quicker, but softer at the same time. They're not as focused as they used to be and trying to be a luxury car and sports car at the same time. It's one of the reasons the 1M was so well liked.

Who am I to argue with what they're doing though. Isn't BMW selling more cars now that they ever have?
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