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      08-22-2014, 03:13 PM   #45
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The M4 the most exciting, B4 most sophisticated and m235 the bargain. Pretty much the way I thought it would play out.
Yep, pretty much
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Let's throw the m2 into the equation. M4 makes that much less sense in 18 months...
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M235i is an amazing car. It's just the 2 series feels so so so cheap. Cheaper than the old 1 series did which I liked a lot also.
Interesting perspective - I had two different 135s and now have an M235.

One the biggest differences, to me, is that the interior of the M235 is much better in the 2er than the old 1er.

To each their own though.
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Let's throw the m2 into the equation. M4 makes that much less sense in 18 months...
Maybe yes, maybe no - when the M2 comes out, it is going to probably be in the mid 50's with few options. And around 375 BHP. Probably not a lot lighter than the M3/4.

That, to me, is a much more "fair" comparison because the major differences will really be styling at that point, assuming that the engine in the M2 gets "some" special ///M treatment and has the M3/4's underpinnings.

One of the things that makes the M235 so good is simply price. But when you're north of 50k and potentially pushing 60 for an M2, many people will weigh the M2 and M3/4 pretty evenly.

Now, if the M division somehow makes a handling monster/maniac and the characters of the M2 and M3/4 are very different, then you have more comparisions from which to draw.

Personally, I alwaysa thought the 2er was much better looking...until I saw the M3 and M4 in person. They're bigger cars for sure, so that matters. But they are very good looking too.
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I wonder if Alpina will do anything with the 2 series. A D2 with 350BHP and 55mpg would be an interesting proposition.
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Let's throw the m2 into the equation. M4 makes that much less sense in 18 months...
No, not really. I personally can't wait to see what the M division brings with the M2 but it won't replace the M3/4.
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Agree. The S55 will be M3/4 only. I was told this at Welt in June.


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No, not really. I personally can't wait to see what the M division brings with the M2 but it won't replace the M3/4.
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      08-22-2014, 05:14 PM   #53
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My point is that a review shouldnt be judged by price/bargain as it is a car mag and not a financial mag.

I know we all can afford a more expensive car but is our car the only priority in our life?
Everyone has different priorities. My next door neighbor 10 years ago had a brand new Gallardo Spyder that cost more than his house, but he paid for both in cash. You can go to the doctors parking lot at your local hospital where the average income is $300k-$400k, you'll see Camrys parked alongside Astons and 911 Turbos.

I would assume most of the people on an automotive message board prioritize cars much more than the average consumer, hence we will spend much more of our disposable income on cars.
too true. I, along with some of the other physicians where I work, favor luxury vehicles, but most of my colleagues drive Japanese/domestic as their DDs. Some of the folks in my field drive maxed out 911's while some prefer RAV4's. Has little to do with income and more to do with being an enthusiast and having specific needs.

Personally, I would take an M235i over an M4 in a heartbeat. As others have mentioned, for that kind of money, there are better options than the M4 out there.
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Drove a 4 series before the 2 series. Absolutely hated the size of the car. The M235i is a true BMW sized sports car IMO. Would pick the M2 over M4 even if it cost a bit more.
Same thing here... Drove a 435 and it did feel pretty big so I waited for the M235 to come out and I love it.. Price of the M4 is a little hard to justify to myself at this point..
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Let's throw the m2 into the equation. M4 makes that much less sense in 18 months...
Maybe yes, maybe no - when the M2 comes out, it is going to probably be in the mid 50's with few options. And around 375 BHP. Probably not a lot lighter than the M3/4.

That, to me, is a much more "fair" comparison because the major differences will really be styling at that point, assuming that the engine in the M2 gets "some" special ///M treatment and has the M3/4's underpinnings.

One of the things that makes the M235 so good is simply price. But when you're north of 50k and potentially pushing 60 for an M2, many people will weigh the M2 and M3/4 pretty evenly.

Now, if the M division somehow makes a handling monster/maniac and the characters of the M2 and M3/4 are very different, then you have more comparisions from which to draw.

Personally, I alwaysa thought the 2er was much better looking...until I saw the M3 and M4 in person. They're bigger cars for sure, so that matters. But they are very good looking too.
Good post.
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why are they comparing these three, i don't get it
they are all same car, same engine lol
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I personally would take the M4 over the M235i, but it doesn't mean every person buying an M235i can't afford the M4.
Well put. You have to weigh what you would like to get with what you can afford to spend. I would have liked to get a new M235i but what I got was a used 335i because it was at a price that I could afford.

Nice article - thanks for sharing. It will be interesting to throw the M2 in the mix once its available and see how it stacks up to its M siblings.
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Interesting comparison. I'm sure BMW didn't bless this review -- leading to this outcome. I'm still moving on to a M3 and, as always, show love for other BMW models. They make great machines. I'm just surprised they'd let a cheaper car get this close to the ultimate of the ultimate driving machines. The M235i is a nice car, but perhaps for the money, the M3/M4 should not be even close in a comparison. JMHO
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Maybe yes, maybe no - when the M2 comes out, it is going to probably be in the mid 50's with few options. And around 375 BHP. Probably not a lot lighter than the M3/4.

That, to me, is a much more "fair" comparison because the major differences will really be styling at that point, assuming that the engine in the M2 gets "some" special ///M treatment and has the M3/4's underpinnings.

One of the things that makes the M235 so good is simply price. But when you're north of 50k and potentially pushing 60 for an M2, many people will weigh the M2 and M3/4 pretty evenly.

Now, if the M division somehow makes a handling monster/maniac and the characters of the M2 and M3/4 are very different, then you have more comparisions from which to draw.

Personally, I alwaysa thought the 2er was much better looking...until I saw the M3 and M4 in person. They're bigger cars for sure, so that matters. But they are very good looking too.
Very good post.


I would like to add, that I just don't wholly agree on the success of the 2-series. There wasn't a leap on engineering, & it gained 200lbs?

Secondly, a lot of //Marketing involved here, but kept at bay, cuz a too powerful 235i, would interfere with their 911. Hence, we all know the 235i comes pre-gimped.


I believe the 235is can be all those things.. (A pure reflection of BMW's past yor), but it wont be done in stock form, it will all be done in aftermarket & add-ins. Becoming a subculture of it's own. The pursuance..


The M's will be more about driving, without having to phuss. They should reflect BMW's clear engineering & have an exact focus, & reason. To some, their hierarchy doesn't matter, it focus does. That is why after some drove the 1M, would've paid the same as a M3 for it.. because it was moAr of what that person wanted.

SMall.. tossible BMW's are rare.. watch Advevo .. tell me that isn't an expression of person. You can wear that car... zero nannies!


I think the M235i is the clear winner here^.. it cost way less & with just $5k in aftermarket, you can tailor to your needs, more-so than in an stock //M-Car.

Coincidently, the M2 will be the clear winner in nearly anything.. because it will focus on handling.. and that lures everyone in!
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Personally, I would take an M235i over an M4 in a heartbeat. As others have mentioned, for that kind of money, there are better options than the M4 out there.
This. I have not heard a single person claim that the 235 is a better car that will out perform the M4. The fact is however, for the price of the M4 I would be looking at several other cars/brands . It is my understanding that the reviewer did not choose the M235 because its cheaper, but because as others have said you can walk away with 25k in your pocket and for 5k in mods would be just about their. Those who say the 25k doesnt matter if you can afford it, would you still choose the M4 if it was compared with cars over 100k and you can make up that difference. Probably not. As much as we like to ignore price points when we are dreaming about potential cars, when it comes to ACTUALLY buying it is one of the most important criteria. I dont think many are cross shopping these two cars due to the huge price difference, but the review asks the question which replaces the old M3. To me it is obviously the 235, the M 4 is more like a 2 door M5, the M 6 is like a 7 coupe, and the M3 is not a coupe, but is more like a mini M5. The niche that used to be occupied by the M3 is now where the 235 and ultimately the M2 will sit.
As far as the review I find it hard to believe that the M4 is difficult to drive at the limit. The 235 with fewer suspension upgrades and an auto box is as solid as can be up to the governor.
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Lol wut? They all have 60 liter fuel tanks with M235i getting 34.9 mpg and M4 getting 34.0 mpg yet M4 gets 40 more miles per tank?
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The M4 the most exciting, B4 most sophisticated and m235 the bargain. Pretty much the way I thought it would play out.
Yep, pretty much
+1 they are all great cars, depends on preference and what you're willing to spend
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Drove both, tried both. Still thinking until M2 shows up.
Love the 2 design more than 4.
Love the 4 interior more than 2 interior.
Between the two, M3 is the choice.
M2 is not that skinny, and on the M4 you get 35 more HP/litre.
In regards with the price, I found it justified, it is obvious that 4 series has a lot more to offer in terms of materials.
It is however harder to drive due to dimensions, 2 series it is very agile in traffic, you can sneak and turn in a different manner; practically is a really nice package.
Like many in here, I am waiting for M2 but I am afraid that my problem is not going to be solved.

I believe that a 235 Xi is the perfect DD and an M3/M4 is the perfect toy. Actually love the design and interior of M6 to death, but in no way I am going to buy that Panzer. Too big for my needs.

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How come the Alpina is smaller in with and length? Don't they use the same body? Ok, maybe the bumpers are different but the width??
And something is fishy, 2 series consume less but M4 gets more range on the same tank?

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I would like to add, that I just don't wholly agree on the success of the 2-series. There wasn't a leap on engineering, & it gained 200lbs?
Where did you get 200 lbs?

BMW USA says the M235i weighs 3535 lbs. BMW UK and DE says it weighs 1545 kg (3399 lbs). So 136 lbs difference from the standard sunroof on the M235i and some other standard options it gained after coming stateside.

Didn't the 135i weigh 3400+ lbs? Was the sunroof a standard option on the 135i?

What's the weight of a 135i with a sunroof?

Why is euro spec M235i "kerb weight" so light? So it's missing a sunroof, so what?

On the other hand, the 1612 kg (3546.4 lbs) M4 curb weight Autocars and BMW UK stated is practically SPOT ON. BMWUSA puts the M4 at 3585 lbs, or a little heavier than euro spec M4.

On BMW UK/DE, the M3 is 1595 kg (3509 lbs). BMW USA puts the M3 at 3540 lbs. On a scale, an M3 with full tank is 3562 lbs.
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=974479

So? What's going on? Anyone weigh their cars? Did Motor Trend/Car and Driver ACTUALLY bothered to weigh the M235i? Did BMW? Do people bother calibrating their scales? Why does it seem like people enjoy pulling numbers out of their asses? Me included, obviously.
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I agree with the author/editors that the M235i is the most sensible choice for my lifestyle and actual vehicle usage patterns and quite likely the one I'd buy. The price to performance -- as a daily driver -- difference is just too vast to make the M4 or Alpina alternatives worth pursuing right now. Were I buying the car as a "fun" car, and thus enlisting my 5er for DD duty, I'd likely pick the Alpina, mostly just to give it whirl seeing as very few Aplinas of any designation make it to the States.

Unfortunately, the whole matter of which to choose is a moot point for me I suspect. Once I retire and my kids are out from under my wing, the E92 will go, the 5er will fill its role, and I intend to buy a "fun" car that is in the "dream" category. Nice as all three of these cars are, I do rather like all three of them, none of them is on my short list of "dream" cars.

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After driving the M235, M4, and having owned every M3 - a 228 manual with track handling package and the BMS tune is the real drivers car and what I would take to the track, even if money was not a factor.
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