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I think BMW is gradually forgetting its roots in favour of a volume war with Audi and. Mercedes. I read today Audi is to introduce 11 new models by the end of the decade. Each one is trying to find a part of the market they don't currently serve just to shift volume following a massive investment in factory capacity. Good news for jobs in those areas where they build the factories but major dilution of brand values. In reality calling this Active Tourer a 2 is deliberate as gives the impression of being better than a 1. They will shift 100000 which will dwarf the Coupe. Yes they want to sell the coupe but probably BMW are not too concerned if they upset the enthusiasts as plenty more money to be made from premium pricing the Active Tourer by calling it a 2.
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12-18-2013, 06:02 AM | #157 |
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Good words by Propagator and advantage20, I must say! IMO the only body style that BMW could still slot into their even number named series is a MB CLS-style shooting brake that somehow can be understood as a touring version of respective GCs. Nothing else, let alone an MPV!
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12-18-2013, 06:15 AM | #158 |
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There could be another explanation for the 2-series-mess that we're facing. As we know BMW is planning a mini-sized variant with the roundel on the nose (that presumably will get its own MPV variat too), but below 1 there are no more numbers! So what to do? You can't call a car the 0 or -1 series. No, make a mess and stuff all you can into 2 so that the 1 gets some more room! Simple...
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Not only does BMW make shitty cars now...they also have their guys coming into forums and promote their propaganda
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12-18-2013, 09:13 AM | #162 | |
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BMW board seem hell bent on turning BMW into VW-Audi, and yet seem to fail to realise that most people buy a BMW because..... it's NOT an Audi...... (or insert similar make) As I said, BMW building this sort of junk only pushes me in a different direction away from the brand, it certainley doesn't inspire me to buy another one. Shame.
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12-18-2013, 09:25 AM | #163 |
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I hate this as much as everyone else, but I see a lot of people saying they will not buy another BMW, they will look elsewhere, etc. etc.
Unfortunately the reality is these are empty threats, very few will actually vote with their wallets when it comes down to it, most will run right back to the BMW dealer for their next car anyway. |
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12-18-2013, 09:35 AM | #164 | |
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I was thinking the other day, you know what made BMW successful in the past? They made the absolute best car they could for the price. Now, they must consider things like, "if we make the 2 series more attractive than the 4 series, we won't sell the 4 series." That's a serious problem in my opinion. |
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12-18-2013, 09:40 AM | #165 | |
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12-18-2013, 09:49 AM | #166 | |
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To be honest, I loved my first 135 much more than this one...the N54 was more satisfying, and I am not a fan of the DCT in my current car. Don't get me wrong, it is a technical masterpiece...and I know I will shift slower, but I don't care. I don't track my cars, so the extra couple of tenths or whole seconds don't matter to me... So the MT and the (in my opinion) much improved looks are the reasons for giving the M235 a shot...I have now had an E82 since 2008, and I am just a little tired of it. I am also hopeful that the 325 BHP of the M235 will "feel" like my N54 did stock...I have to admit that I am simply not a fan of the N55... We shall see how it goes...
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12-18-2013, 10:25 AM | #167 | |
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Which means that they think the number 1 does not bring enough to the table and is of no value in the consumer's mind. Yet they have a big seller with the 1 Series lineup already at its second generation. So basically instead of reinforcing the image of the 1 lineup by various marketing moves and then slotting the Active Tourer where it belongs (in the 1 lineup, definitely not in the 2) which in turn would even more reinforce the image and consistency of the 1 lineup, they are actually saying: nah, 1 does not sound good enough, the 1 Series hatch is called like crap, we wonder why people even buy it and they definitely won't buy a 1 minivan... Which is nonsense as the market proves. And if BMW has an inferiority complex to Audi because their competitors are 1 or even 2 numbers below their Audi counterpart (1er - A3, 3er - A4, X5 - Q7), well then they either assume their nomenclature or change it. So in the end, with this move they are ridiculing not only the 2 Series lineup and their whole model hierarchy, but also the 1 Series lineup as being pretendedly unworthy of a more expensive model (do people restrain from buying the M135i because 1 doesn't sound upmarket enough?!). Last edited by advantage20; 12-18-2013 at 10:35 AM.. |
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Should have called it X2 or something. Ultimately I don't care. It just is another stone along a disturbing path that ends up into making crap cars like GM did some years ago.
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In my experience with BMW, you used to "get more bang for your buck" in that the engines were typically underrated and it was usually class-leading BHP and handling at whatever price point you happened to be interested in... I think both of those things are changing--prices are def. climbing, and the relative performance and feel of the new cars has been criticized for this type of "slippage" pretty consistently...
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12-18-2013, 11:07 AM | #170 |
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In fact there were rumors quite some time ago that such cars as MPVs or similar utility oriented BMWs could be named "V" or "F" series if I remember correctly. That naming would be way better.
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12-18-2013, 11:31 AM | #171 | |
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You want notice any significant difference to the N55 in your E82. A few more hp won't make it feel like a N54 at all, the almost identical engine in the M135 certainley doesn't feel like a N54 at all. I hope you like the inferior electric steering as well. I'll be keenly waiting to see what you do think of it when the time comes.
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I don't buy a badge or some marketing brand bullshit, I buy the car. If BMW build a car in the future that I'm interested in buying and I can afford it, I'll buy it. If another maker makes something better or more interesting or suits my needs better, I'll buy that instead regardless of what badge is on it.
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Sorry, but in my very humble and considered opinion, that car is a dog.
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And if you want rear wheel drive in a small coupe, and you want it to be German, well, there's not many other choices... Most of my appetite for exciting driving is satisfied with my bike, but I am hoping the new styling with a MT will make up for that which my E82 lacks currently, at least in my opinion... The N54 was indeed a beast.
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