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      03-09-2014, 10:43 PM   #67
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Some people would like a full warranty and free maintenance... Just sayin'...
100% This.
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      03-09-2014, 11:03 PM   #68
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At this price point, you can afford a E92 M3 and then some (several sets of tires or other mods) or better yet, take a E46 and save even more money.

I wish M235i was a 20k car, but it's not. It's twice of that. And that's exactly why I have a problem with it. You can get a nice 09 M3 for 35k.
And any bit of credibility you had fluttered away when you said you wished it were a 20k car. Just to show what a moron you are, here's what 20k buys you today-

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/best-cars-under-dollar20000#1

Yes, garbage. Now people that live in the real world, and want a new bang for buck BMW experience, can see that the M235 is a pretty good deal.

A 2009 M3 isn't really going to deliver that. Especially since it's numbers don't really hold up here in 2014 where FI makes an NA engine look antiquated. And who wants to sit in a worn out cockpit?

Don't get me wrong. I love my V8. But I also have sense enough to recognize that the M235 is pretty damn good considering where it sits in the market.

Hell, 20k wouldn't buy an e30 M3 when it came off the line... ~27 years ago...
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      03-09-2014, 11:53 PM   #69
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At this price point, you can afford a E92 M3 and then some (several sets of tires or other mods) or better yet, take a E46 and save even more money.
are you fucking kidding me?...i'm suppose to buy a E46 M3 with 80K miles, no maintenance, no warranty, 15+ years old chassis, exterior, interior and tech over a brand new car, and use the money i saved only to keep it alive?

if you are arguing about a classic like the M1, or the previous generations of 911s i could understand, hell, even a vintage mustang or corvette just because the way it sounds and looks. those cars are worth you spending money on to keep them alive and running but a beat up E46 M3(a great car, but just not THAT great) is definitely not the way to go.
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The above two posters are right, comparing an E46 to a brand new M235i is rather silly. Let's just say it is just as fast, very few people care. The updated cockpit and technology along with warranty and just a fresh take on a performance car is worth the extra money.

To say you should save money just to buy the M name in true form is just as ignorant as saying this car isn't worth 50k loaded to deal with everything that goes with an old and outdated car.
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My brain nearly melted when he said the M235i "looks much better than 1M."
I would have to agree with MT, 1 series car in general are some of the ugliest BMW makes. 2-series is a huge improvement over 1-series including 1M.
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      03-10-2014, 03:46 AM   #72
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That seems to be story with BMW these days. More artificial feeling cars that perform but without providing the pleasure and raw experience.



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Yes, not factual......for one there are no 1Ms running around the neighborhood. you never see one, they are extremely rare. Second, the performance might be on par but not the experience. The 1M was loud..with real exhaust sound not digital track enhanced. Braking performance might be on par for 1 or two stops but the 1M had the M3 composite cross drilled floating disk design which dissipates heat better in multiple stops/track. it also came with Michelin PS2s not the better Pilot SuperSports on the 235i. Most 1Ms now have the Supersports. Also, the M235i is heavier than 1M which will eventually add to brake heat, etc. One real advantage of the 235i is the longer wheelbase and better aerodynamics. The 1M was a handful and would easily go sideways on you and at high speed, air would work against it.

This is one advantage of the new model. Also, the throttle response seems better too but that is the only advantage I see after driving both.

What the writer is saying is that the numbers are close...and how it gets those numbers is not that important. The excitement factor and sensory overload of the 1M is what makes it special even if eventually the newer digitally enhanced cars post better numbers. The whole character of the 1M was clearly defined as maybe not supercar fast, but exciting in real world situations.
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Can anyone here that has an M235i verify whether there is an oil temperature gauge?

I keep seeing comments popping up regarding the fact that there is no way to see the oil temperature (or coolant temperature).

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it has not built in oil temp, it can be displayed through OBD or on performance steering wheel, or through some of the black panel menus etc but no, no fixed guage.

As for M235i vs e46 hahahahaha. yeah you are dead right. Why not up spec and buy a fire damaged porsche for the money!
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Rear is funky looking.

Seen one in person at BMW Welt and it just doesn't Impress.
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are you fucking kidding me?...i'm suppose to buy a E46 M3 with 80K miles, no maintenance, no warranty, 15+ years old chassis, exterior, interior and tech over a brand new car, and use the money i saved only to keep it alive?

if you are arguing about a classic like the M1, or the previous generations of 911s i could understand, hell, even a vintage mustang or corvette just because the way it sounds and looks. those cars are worth you spending money on to keep them alive and running but a beat up E46 M3(a great car, but just not THAT great) is definitely not the way to go.
Unless e46 M3 CSL, but was never available in the states
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I'm sure that the m235 is awesome. A great first intro to MPA in the states. Hopefully they will just role out a bunch more to lay the hammer to Audi S. Right know the Audi S line up is so complete, I don't know what's taking BMW so long to catch up.

These MPA vehicles are not designed to compete with real M, so it's impressive enough that it puts up similar numbers.
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Can anyone here that has an M235i verify whether there is an oil temperature gauge?

I keep seeing comments popping up regarding the fact that there is no way to see the oil temperature (or coolant temperature).

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No, it doesn't. There is just an empty hole there on the cluster for a stock cluster, and battery volts if you get the tech package with the upgraded cluster.

But hey, on the tech package upgrade, it says "M235" all the time ! Just in case you forgot which car you were riding in...
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No, it doesn't. There is just an empty hole there on the cluster for a stock cluster, and battery volts if you get the tech package with the upgraded cluster.

But hey, on the tech package upgrade, it says "M235" all the time ! Just in case you forgot which car you were riding in...
There are no "empty holes" the fuel gauge sits in the bottom of the speedo gauge and the Eco Pro gubbins sits in the bottom of the tacho.
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and the middle doesnt say m235i all the time, it gives mpg, miles, time etc etc.
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Unfortunately after seeing the car in person I have to say I think BMW had some visual design flaws. The body of the M235i is very lacking in contour. There is absolutely zero flare to the wheel arches. Which really surprised me since I've always considered that a BMW kind of tm. The body lines are very straight and dull. I was extremely surprised at how ugly/boring it was in person...
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There are no "empty holes" the fuel gauge sits in the bottom of the speedo gauge and the Eco Pro gubbins sits in the bottom of the tacho.
Not the case if you don't get the tech package - I have driven such a car, and you can rest assured that there's nothing there.
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and the middle doesnt say m235i all the time, it gives mpg, miles, time etc etc.
Well it's still a bit cheesy, no?
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To be honest I didn't even notice when turning it on. I also don't miss oil temp but guess I'm not a proper "enthusiast" as I quite like the active sound too
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No, it doesn't. There is just an empty hole there on the cluster for a stock cluster, and battery volts if you get the tech package with the upgraded cluster.

But hey, on the tech package upgrade, it says "M235" all the time ! Just in case you forgot which car you were riding in...
Thank you. Appreciate the confirmation finally.

The M235i really seems like a home run by BMW but the lack of temperature gauges on a car like this is maddening, isn't it?
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Thank you. Appreciate the confirmation finally.

The M235i really seems like a home run by BMW but the lack of temperature gauges on a car like this is maddening, isn't it?
I haven't got mine in yet hoping for this Friday but I remember someone saying that it is a part of the extended instrument cluster but it is not an active gauge. I think it should be standard option and not paid for personally.

I could be wrong here but it seems to be bothersome to a few members and some seem to not care, I'll take a look once mine arrives if someone else can't confirm.
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Unfortunately after seeing the car in person I have to say I think BMW had some visual design flaws. The body of the M235i is very lacking in contour. There is absolutely zero flare to the wheel arches. Which really surprised me since I've always considered that a BMW kind of tm. The body lines are very straight and dull. I was extremely surprised at how ugly/boring it was in person...
I am also very disappointed at the lack of fender flares on the 2-series.

The back looks disproportionately large and it makes the rear wheels look smaller than the front. The back simply doesn't look as aggressive as the E88.

More and more I see the 2-series the more happy I become with my 135. Not really warming up to the 2 series... I mean why the hell did they make it bigger? Many of us bought a 1-series BECAUSE it was significantly smaller than the E9x chassis.

Now, the 2er is about 2 inches shorter than the 4er. What's the point of the 2-series again?
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Just stopped by the dealer for my service and I saw one of these. This was by far the most hideous BMW I've ever seen.
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