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      05-28-2017, 06:10 PM   #1
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M240i vs. 440i LCI

Anyone have any seat time comparing the handling and steering of the two?

I'm interested in adding a 440i LCI to the fleet and was wondering how it compares to the M240i?

If I was to order the 440i, then it would be fitted with MPPSK.

Unfortunately, cant find any 440i (non-xi) here in Michigan.

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I found the F22 cramped and lower interior quality than the F36. I could not get a car without HUD. No driving experience in the F22.

Will dealership not trade for non-iX to get you desired car?
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I found the F22 cramped and lower interior quality than the F36. I could not get a car without HUD. No driving experience in the F22.

Will dealership not trade for non-iX to get you desired car?
Thanks for the response.

I'm looking to drive B2B; however, local dealer has XI only. Ordering is not a problem but i'm trying to decide if I should let my M240i with LSD go or not for a 440i LCI. haha What it comes down to is the handling and fun to drive aspect. If I was to order a 440 LCI, for sure it would be coupled with MPPSK.
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Funny you should ask. I love my EB M240i (with Dinan Stage 1). I traded a 2015 C7 Corvette for it, but next time around, I'll get the 440i, just for the upgrades available w/ that model.

The stock M240i is very fast as stock 0-60 4.4 sec. W/ the Dinan I'm likely now close to 4.0. The Stock 440i is 4.8 seconds, so it no slouch. If you add the BMW "go fast", you'll probably be right where a stock M240i is 0-60.

Any car that runs to 60 MPH in the 4 second range is a fast car. (Growing up i had a Triumph Bonneville and 0-60 was 5 seconds).

Finding I can't use my M240i's mod'ed power w/o risking a ticket where I live, so having it, is pretty much lost. I don't track or AutoX, so it's basically a "go fast" cruiser. I do enjoy the car's performance, but rarely go more than half pedal in a daily drive.

So, started looking at the 4 series for the Tanzanite Blue Metallic w/ Venetian Beige leather & Burl Walnut interior. I can live with the .8 sec 0-60 speed deficit for the extra plushness. If I wanted a bit more performance I can always add the MPPSK, but again it would be likely unused.

I've found that 1 second plus or minus performance is wasted unless you constantly race from stop light to stop light or track the car where you're competing against the clock. It's more a personal thing knowing you have it rather than actually use it.

Initially I was looking at the M4 to replace my M240i, but looked at the cost diff, the performance gain 3.9 (to my 4.0) or the 440i 4.8. All are very fast.
So I will likely get the 440i. If the 430i had the color options I wanted would probably get that. 0-60 in 5.5 sec is still very respectable.
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Funny you should ask. I love my EB M240i (with Dinan Stage 1). I traded a 2015 C7 Corvette for it, but next time around, I'll get the 440i, just for the upgrades available w/ that model.

The stock M240i is very fast as stock 0-60 4.4 sec. W/ the Dinan I'm likely now close to 4.0. The Stock 440i is 4.8 seconds, so it no slouch. If you add the BMW "go fast", you'll probably be right where a stock M240i is 0-60.

Any car that runs to 60 MPH in the 4 second range is a fast car. (Growing up i had a Triumph Bonneville and 0-60 was 5 seconds).

Finding I can't use my M240i's mod'ed power w/o risking a ticket where I live, so having it, is pretty much lost. I don't track or AutoX, so it's basically a "go fast" cruiser. I do enjoy the car's performance, but rarely go more than half pedal in a daily drive.

So, started looking at the 4 series for the Tanzanite Blue Metallic w/ Venetian Beige leather & Burl Walnut interior. I can live with the .8 sec 0-60 speed deficit for the extra plushness. If I wanted a bit more performance I can always add the MPPSK, but again it would be likely unused.

I've found that 1 second plus or minus performance is wasted unless you constantly race from stop light to stop light or track the car where you're competing against the clock. It's more a personal thing knowing you have it rather than actually use it.

Initially I was looking at the M4 to replace my M240i, but looked at the cost diff, the performance gain 3.9 (to my 4.0) or the 440i 4.8. All are very fast.
So I will likely get the 440i. If the 430i had the color options I wanted would probably get that. 0-60 in 5.5 sec is still very respectable.
I completely agree. When you are in the 4 second 0-60 performance then its hard to tell the difference. Have you had a chance to test drive the 440i? What did you think of the handling and steering feel compared to your 2er? Most reviews about the 4er (435 / 440i) talk about the fun 2 drive aspect due to longer wheel base, lowest center of gravity of any other BMW, and wider track; one video talked about 4er having a wider track than the outgoing M3 (E9x). The 4er LCI further enhanced steering feel, reduced body roll, meanwhile while increasing comfort. However, i'm having a tough time to actually drive one around here in MI, and finding reviews of the effect on the new kinematics.

I do know that a M240i with LSD is a blast to drive in comfort or sport. Does the 440i LCI with MPPSK make me want to move on from the M240i? That is the question i'm trying to answer. ha

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I think we are neighbors. I drove the then-435 and 335 as well as the 4 cylinder versions before deciding to buy the 2. Took them around Grand River, I275, and M5 (so you can guess which dealer!). Power is power, and there is plenty for around here in any of these, but the only ones which felt fun and caused that "smile" was the 2. The 3 and 4 both felt boaty, boggy, large, and heavy. They were nice cars, great cruisers, but if you're looking for fun to drive, that's not them, in my opinion, realizing in my opinion, "fun" is not just planting your right foot and watching/timing the speedo...it's the feeling of steering and tossing the car around, even in day to day driving. Maybe the next-gen G30 platform will bring some magic back to the 3 and 4 (the cars are supposedly larger, but lighter), but for now, they hold no "fun to drive" interest for me.
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Fortunately I have a MCS w/ the JCW tune for my tossing around car.

I find the M240i to be to the Mini probably what the 440i feels like compared to the M240i. So plan to keep the Cooper (or get a full on JCW's) and go the 440i route next time.

The M240i feels so much more refined than the Mini, it's almost a shame to toss it around. Straight line pep, is another story completely.
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If the xdrive implementation on the 4xx is anything like the 2xx, I highly doubt you'll able to put the car in a situation on the street where you could even tell the diff between RWD and AWD. Certainly not any situation the saleman will let you get away with! So don't turn down that back to back test drive just because the cars is xdrive. This ain't your grandfathers xdrive!
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Every car review I've read about the 3/4 series is that the steering feel is pretty terrible and that the 2 series steering, while not exceptionAL in feel, is far better than the 3/4, even those newer models with the improved steering feel. As for materials, the 2/3/4 share the same hvac parts, switches, steering wheel, stereo face, nav, and seats. Put the cars on a rack and you'll see the parts as the 2/3/4 chassis are the same.

If numbers are what you're after, then the M240 will put up the best acceleration, braking, and handling numbers. On a track, the 2 series is clearly better because it's smaller which makes it easier to place on the track.

The 3/4 series is now the size of a 5 series from a decade ago and the 2 series is the same size as the e46 3 series.
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If the xdrive implementation on the 4xx is anything like the 2xx, I highly doubt you'll able to put the car in a situation on the street where you could even tell the diff between RWD and AWD. Certainly not any situation the saleman will let you get away with! So don't turn down that back to back test drive just because the cars is xdrive. This ain't your grandfathers xdrive!
It's not so much a matter of a situation of how the vehicle handles. It's a matter of feel. Some can feel the difference; others do not. I do. And, it may be particularly relevant in this case, as it does make the steering feel "heavier", and not in a good way, with an additional 110 lbs. over the front wheels. If you happen not to sense this, then it matters not, but I don't like the relative change of sensation.
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The 3/4 series is now the size of a 5 series from a decade ago and the 2 series is the same size as the e46 3 series.
Yes....I compared the size of my current 2 to my 1977 320i coupe, and the 2 is actually LARGER!
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If the xdrive implementation on the 4xx is anything like the 2xx, I highly doubt you'll able to put the car in a situation on the street where you could even tell the diff between RWD and AWD. Certainly not any situation the saleman will let you get away with! So don't turn down that back to back test drive just because the cars is xdrive. This ain't your grandfathers xdrive!
I agree that dealership test drives can be frustrating and not give you a good sense of the car.

If you have opportunity to do BMW UDE, they hand you the keys to BMW and send you on your way (without Sales Associate). Personally, I did not care for xdrive, but luckily they are rare on sedans in my region.
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It's not so much a matter of a situation of how the vehicle handles. It's a matter of feel. Some can feel the difference; others do not. I do. And, it may be particularly relevant in this case, as it does make the steering feel "heavier", and not in a good way, with an additional 110 lbs. over the front wheels. If you happen not to sense this, then it matters not, but I don't like the relative change of sensation.
You've compared current gen 2/3/4 RWD vs AWD under the same conditions?
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You've compared current gen 2/3/4 RWD vs AWD under the same conditions?
Same dealer, same general roads, at one of BMW's Unique Driving Events a couple of years back, but I did not do all 6 your question suggests. Tried one rwd 3 vs xDrive 3. Did the same comparison at an MB dealer with C Class with the same result. This isn't about how the car handles. This is about how the steering feels. You just can't help but succumb to physics...the additional mechanisms with that much more weight pretty much directly over the front end can be sensed.
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The more I think about this question, the less sensible it becomes. Not only are we comparing two (slightly) different sizes and set-ups, but the OP wants to add a performance part to one of them that should (in theory) up the power, and there is no way to test drive a car with that part added to it, unless the OP knows someone who has one.
So, long and short, there is no way to know the answer to this question, or at least the likelihood of being able to answer it is vanishingly small.
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FWIW, in doing a bit of research and talking with a trusted sales manager. I relay the following:

Unless you pay $4K extra for the leather seats, you get basically the same interior as the M240i.

You get essentially the same motor in the the 440i that is in the M240i (a touch less HP stock) and a 0-60 in 4.8 vs. 4.4. If you add the BMW "go fast", you could shave maybe .4 off that time so you'll have a 440i which is larger performing at the same level as a stock M240i.

Now granted if you like the 440i size, you can add the BMW part (or a Stage 1 Dinan) and get a decent performance gain, and you can spend $4k for the nicer interior and perhaps another $2K for one of the special colors (I love the Tanzanite blue myself), with the Venetian Beige Interior (Cashmer for $4K), but you'll be at $60K w/o the track package (just the Essential and Premium pkges). Add another $1100 for the HUD. Then add the Dinan approx $1600 installed or the BMW "Go Fast" ($2500-$3K?)

Still way cheaper than a comparable M4, but for the cash, the M240i is a huge bargain. Add a Dinan Stage 1 and run w/ or beat an M2. W/o the M car insurance premium.

If the 4 came with Napa leather rather the Dakota w/ Merino as a upgrade, it would be a bit more appealing IMO. But ..................dunno. Maybe buy it for the exterior colors choice and leave it basically stock.
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I never really considered the 435 / 440 because my primary must have was a convertible and the "hard top" convertible 4 Series was a non-starter for me - too much extra weight and in the absolute wrong place on the car too. It's pretty tough to beat the 235 / 240, especially for the money and based on this https://gearpatrol.com/2016/12/23/ge...-actually-buy/ I'm not the only one who came to this conclusion.
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I came from an F30 already, options were 340/440i sDrive, effectively a newer replacement to what I had, or an M240i.

The 440i I tried was great, similar to what I was used to, but then I drove the 240 straight after and was blown away. Performance wise, the 440 felt a model down, if that makes sense. But it was better on the motorway, bigger, more comfortable ride.

An M240i now sits in my garage

So as has been said, need the space and a bit more grown up car? Go 440i. You will miss the performance though.
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I'm not sure how much the the coupe iteration changes the delta between the two models. But, I drove the M235 convertible and the 435 droptop when I was shopping for a new convertible. The 4 was certainly more commodious, especially when test driving with spouse and 11-year-old child. It felt more grown-up and luxurious. Nicer than the E91 328iT, I was coming from.

What stopped me from buying it, was it just wasn't a lot of fun to drive. The 2, on the other hand, was a hoot. Quite similar to the car I miss the most, my 2006 E46 M3C. The 2 had a similar lightness and tossability. Driving it put a big grin on my face. The 4 was just pleasant, like driving a large sedan that also had a top that goes down.

I couldn't see paying $10-$15k more than the 2, just to get a droptop upgrade of my wagon.

All that said, I do think the 4 convertible is great looking. Better looking than the 2, which is a bit on the chunky side.

At any rate, I haven't regretted my choice a bit. It may also factor in that the other car in the family is an F15 X5 50i, so we have the privilege of a luxurious family hauler when we want one.

And I agree about weighing in what kind of driving you do. If I were on the crazy Atlanta highways all the time, I'd opt for the 4. Or, frankly, a tank. (Which is where the X5 comes in, because my spouse has that kind of a commute.)
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Bumping this thread because it's relevant to my current predicament - I asked this question in the Bimmerfest F30 forum, but I wanted the F22 guys' perspective, as well. I'm shopping for my first BMW and am between the two coupes.

A couple weeks ago, I test drove a 230i M Sport RWD coupe (no THP, passive steel suspension), the ride felt a bit too bumpy/harsh for the roads I use every day, as it'll be both a fun car and a DD. Last weekend, though, I drove a friend's new 230i M Sport convertible, also with the passive steel M Sport suspension, and it didn't even feel like the same car. The suspension was taut and controlled and soaked up various and sundry imperfections while still making me feel connected to the road, and it felt much meatier and firmer than the coupe I tried out. The coupe's suspension felt like it cornered a bit flatter than the base suspension and transmitted more information about the road, but without that really firm, thicker feeling underneath the seats that the 'vert had, which made me feel much more connected to the car--the "reading your mind" characteristic everyone ascribes to BMWs. The 'vert suspension also felt a lot less upset by potholes and imperfections that could cause the coupe to bounce or move. What gives? Is the suspension tuned that differently for the convertible? Could this all be tire pressure/tires (the CPO had summer run flats that *may* not have been replaced after 32k miles--Carfax is vague about this, while the convertible had all season run flats)? Something else?

It's making me reconsider the 4 I was going to order because I ended up going for the 4 specifically because the 2's ride was too choppy and had too much movement for what I want out of a daily driver. But this 'vert--man, I would drive that for hours on end.
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The 2 series with Adaptive M suspension drives very well, IMO. It's as composed as any commuter car yet not loose like a civic. When you want better handling, sport/sport+ changes the dynamic pretty well. Never heard of anyone not liking how it works, more than they wish it got "stiffer" but that's a spring issue, not damper..

I test drove a 6MT 4 series as there were no 6MT 2 series (new) on the lot to test prior to finding my CPO 2 series . The 4 series was fine, nothing wrong with it, it felt more luxurious but not night/day. It felt like a big car inside, like a 6 series coupe we used to have, but lighter. It was a strange experience, because the weight of the car was fair, and the handling was pretty neutral but it still felt huge, to me. It's funny because spec wise they're not that much different in interior spacing, just a very different dash configuration which changes the whole aspect when you're sitting behind the wheel. The small cluster and big 3 spoke wheel hit home for me, in this car. This car wraps around you, whereas the 4 series makes you feel like cruising the town.

Can't go wrong with either choice, but it comes down you what you want from the car, which is either a fast handling/performance coupe, or a quick/fast commuter luxury coupe. Two very different cars, IMO.

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