What driving mode do you usually use?

pikcachu · 09-04-2016, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by raleedy

I've seen that language and studied it. I think what it tells you is that one a wheel goes over a bump, the spring compresses and the shock absorber piston moves. I would add that the wheel also revolves, providing an automatic, controlled recovery from the deflection. (The reference to the axle motor describes the two-state shock adjusters.)

But before we get too far into this debate, I'd just point out that the 2-series has Adaptive M Suspension, not Adaptive Drive. According to BMWUSA, Adaptive Drive is the guts of the Dynamic Handling Package on the 5-series, consisting of Active Roll Stabilization and Dynamic Damping Controls. I'd go so far as to say that any spring gets stiffer when it goes over a bump.

They are basically the same thing I believe...

There was also a video a while back explaining it...

raleedy · 09-05-2016, 12:04 PM

You believe. I'm a cynic. I see these promotional pieces as misleading marketing hype. I doubt very much that a system that fetches a $3,500 upcharge (in the United States) on a 5-series sedan would be thrown in at no charge on the M235i or for $1,700 on the 228i.

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ive_drive.html

XutvJet · 09-05-2016, 12:50 PM

The adjustable shocks in the M235 are two way. They have solenoid driven valves which can change the shock valving between a hard and soft. The system is simply an energized switch. It is NOT a variable valve or something even remotely close to MagnaRide like that found on certain GM products or other high end German products and certain supercar makes where the valving is constantly adjusting within 1000th's of a second. The Ford Focus RS uses a similar two way valved system and these two way shocks have been out for decades now. If the two way valve was truly opening and closing to account for ride surfaces, the car would ride terrible and handling would be sketchy. The system is "dynamic" is that you can control the settings and that the car does have a suspension to account for changing road surfaces LOL. BMW is hilariously good at describing their systems in ambiguous language.

With respect to the steering and it adjusting heft at speed, that is quite possible and I wouldn't doubt it. Variable hydraulic power steering has been out since the 1980s and it's quite possible that the e-rack in the M235 does increase/reduce steering heft depending on speed, regardless of which driving mode you're in. The electronic steering, you can easily manipulate things.

Tpeterson · 09-05-2016, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by raleedy

You believe. I'm a cynic. I see these promotional pieces as misleading marketing hype. I doubt very much that a system that fetches a $3,500 upcharge (in the United States) on a 5-series sedan would be thrown in at no charge on the M235i or for $1,700 on the 228i.

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ive_drive.html

As a card carrying cynic/skeptic myself,I can find no fault with your logic!

Sportstick · 09-05-2016, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tpeterson

As a card carrying cynic/skeptic myself,I can find no fault with your logic!

As a card-carrying cynic, you should be skeptical about everything he says.

Imagine a cynics' convention. No one believes a word they hear!

Tpeterson · 09-05-2016, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportstick

As a card-carrying cynic, you should be skeptical about everything he says.

Imagine a cynics' convention. No one believes a word they hear!

We wouldn't bother with a convention for that very reason!

AlpsRider · 09-05-2016, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by raleedy

You believe. I'm a cynic. I see these promotional pieces as misleading marketing hype. I doubt very much that a system that fetches a $3,500 upcharge (in the United States) on a 5-series sedan would be thrown in at no charge on the M235i or for $1,700 on the 228i.

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ive_drive.html

That article gives much the same explanation as the one on the BMW M240i link.
There is this thread too. http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=942225
Also, this pdf is meant for the F30 so it would be in the same league as the M235. Start at page 35-39. (fixed link) http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesfor..._Dynamics1.pdf

2seriesaddict · 09-07-2016, 10:13 AM

Comfort mode as a day to day. Sport when overtaking in highway. Don't use too much Eco or Sport +

raleedy · 09-07-2016, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AlpsRider

That article gives much the same explanation as the one on the BMW M240i link.
There is this thread too. http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=942225
Also, this pdf is meant for the F30 so it would be in the same league as the M235. Start at page 35-39. (fixed link) http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesfor..._Dynamics1.pdf

Thanks for this. I seem to have been completely wrong about the concept of dynamic adjustment -- it's clearly part of the system. I hope BMW won't take my car away.

aozer · 09-07-2016, 09:46 PM

mostly in comfort when cruising around town.

sport with dsc disabled when im trying to have some fun.

rwjr44 · 09-15-2016, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wtfbrah

Does ECO really help in heavy traffic minus the start-stop feature? I honestly find start-stop really annoying.

Sorry to take so long on this reply. I don't use the start-stop mode very much. I also find it annoying.

RacerDad · 09-15-2016, 03:49 PM

Since I have gotten the car home I have been driving in Comfort or Eco Pro mode. I put into Sport when traffic opens up or if I am on twisty roads in the morning (not too many around here).

Comfort has the best balance for a daily driver. Eco Pro is great for stop and go traffic, although, it wants me to upshift way too early (35mph in 6th???

). Eco Pro also helps some with fuel economy. I am still trying to figure out the screen with the blue lines. I also like the auto start stop at long lights.

I really need to get back out to a track.

griz31 · 09-20-2016, 02:15 PM

Sport + mostly. I like the throttle response and steering feel the best in this mode. Im not sure I know what the difference is between Sport and Sport + other than DTC, but I always pick + for some reason.

lajollabeach · 09-24-2016, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wtfbrah

Curious as to why people don't use sport+ much? Dealer told me it's literally the exact same thing as sport except with traction control relaxed

Because at my skill level, on twisty roads, the BMW in Sport is way better than me at driving right up to the limit of adhesion but not past it. I took BMW car control class and the instructor said most students get the best track times in Sport. I think what your dealer said is exactly right, but I have heard other opinions.

BentZero · 09-24-2016, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lajollabeach

Because at my skill level, on twisty roads, the BMW is way better than me at driving right up to the limit of adhesion but not past it. I took BMW car control class and the instructor said most students get the best track times in Sport.

But most fun in sport+

BentZero · 09-24-2016, 04:03 PM

I'm getting better at getting the back to slide out a bit. Rain yesterday, sport+ and on a long sweeping right with no oncoming traffic. Kept it in second and steadily increased throttle. Back end progressively slid out. Applied opposite lock and then the nannies kicked in a second or so later to get things back in line. I still get a thrill out of doing it, but I feel like I'm getting a lot more accustomed to it. As they say, repetition is the mother of skill.

Happy driving folks.

Dylan86 · 09-24-2016, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BentZero

I'm getting better at getting the back to slide out a bit. Rain yesterday, sport+ and on a long sweeping right with no oncoming traffic. Kept it in second and steadily increased throttle. Back end progressively slid out. Applied opposite lock and then the nannies kicked in a second or so later to get things back in line. I still get a thrill out of doing it, but I feel like I'm getting a lot more accustomed to it. As they say, repetition is the mother of skill.

Happy driving folks.

Yup, next time LAY INTO IT! With DSC off

BentZero · 09-24-2016, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan86

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Originally Posted by BentZero

I'm getting better at getting the back to slide out a bit. Rain yesterday, sport+ and on a long sweeping right with no oncoming traffic. Kept it in second and steadily increased throttle. Back end progressively slid out. Applied opposite lock and then the nannies kicked in a second or so later to get things back in line. I still get a thrill out of doing it, but I feel like I'm getting a lot more accustomed to it. As they say, repetition is the mother of skill.

Happy driving folks.

Yup, next time LAY INTO IT! With DSC off

Man, I'm not anywhere near that yet. I'm gonna wait until the next AutoX and let it loose then. idc about my times lol.

Dylan86 · 09-24-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BentZero

Man, I'm not anywhere near that yet. I'm gonna wait until the next AutoX and let it loose then. idc about my times lol.

Find an empty lot if you can, and get the shakes out of your system. Once you've gotten past that, it comes naturally, almost. lol, and yea you won't be faster by any stretch drifting around an autoX course, but you and the crowd may enjoy it

lajollabeach · 09-24-2016, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BentZero

But most fun in sport+

Good point but I am trying to get this $1000 set of run flat tires to last until the 30K mi lease is up.

BPC · 09-25-2016, 04:17 PM

almost always sport mode. sometimes comfort. haven't had long runs but would consider eco mode (what i call audi mode) if i had a several hour stretch of boring highway. i get horrible gas mileage using sport, but am fine with that. i like hearing the exhaust.

BPC · 09-25-2016, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lajollabeach

Because at my skill level, on twisty roads, the BMW is way better than me at driving right up to the limit of adhesion but not past it. I took BMW car control class and the instructor said most students get the best track times in Sport.

I took that course as well. I highly reccommend it.

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raleedy Colonel 160 Rep 2,248 Posts Drives: 2016 228i 6-speed Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon iTrader: (0)	You believe. I'm a cynic. I see these promotional pieces as misleading marketing hype. I doubt very much that a system that fetches a $3,500 upcharge (in the United States) on a 5-series sedan would be thrown in at no charge on the M235i or for $1,700 on the 228i. http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ive_drive.html Last edited by raleedy; 09-05-2016 at 03:20 PM..
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XutvJet Major General 5551 Rep 5,369 Posts Drives: 2011 Cayman Base, 2016 M235 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Kansas City iTrader: (-1)	The adjustable shocks in the M235 are two way. They have solenoid driven valves which can change the shock valving between a hard and soft. The system is simply an energized switch. It is NOT a variable valve or something even remotely close to MagnaRide like that found on certain GM products or other high end German products and certain supercar makes where the valving is constantly adjusting within 1000th's of a second. The Ford Focus RS uses a similar two way valved system and these two way shocks have been out for decades now. If the two way valve was truly opening and closing to account for ride surfaces, the car would ride terrible and handling would be sketchy. The system is "dynamic" is that you can control the settings and that the car does have a suspension to account for changing road surfaces LOL. BMW is hilariously good at describing their systems in ambiguous language. With respect to the steering and it adjusting heft at speed, that is quite possible and I wouldn't doubt it. Variable hydraulic power steering has been out since the 1980s and it's quite possible that the e-rack in the M235 does increase/reduce steering heft depending on speed, regardless of which driving mode you're in. The electronic steering, you can easily manipulate things. Last edited by XutvJet; 09-05-2016 at 12:55 PM..
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09-07-2016, 10:13 AM	#118
2seriesaddict Private 22 Rep 68 Posts Drives: 220i with m235 looks Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Mexico, DF iTrader: (0)	Comfort mode as a day to day. Sport when overtaking in highway. Don't use too much Eco or Sport + __________________ :: Current :: Base 220i Sport, Aero package, Avery Blue Matte Metallic Wrap, AC Schnitzer Repro, Injen Intake Evo, Remus Exhaust x4, Performance Diffuser :: Pending :: AC Schnitzer AC-1 Wheels + Michelin PSS
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09-07-2016, 09:46 PM	#120
aozer Lieutenant 995 Rep 598 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	mostly in comfort when cruising around town. sport with dsc disabled when im trying to have some fun.
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09-15-2016, 03:49 PM	#122
RacerDad Private First Class 158 Rep 121 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Virginia Beach, VA iTrader: (0)	Since I have gotten the car home I have been driving in Comfort or Eco Pro mode. I put into Sport when traffic opens up or if I am on twisty roads in the morning (not too many around here). Comfort has the best balance for a daily driver. Eco Pro is great for stop and go traffic, although, it wants me to upshift way too early (35mph in 6th??? ). Eco Pro also helps some with fuel economy. I am still trying to figure out the screen with the blue lines. I also like the auto start stop at long lights. I really need to get back out to a track. __________________ 2016 M235i BSM, M/T, Sunroof Delete
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09-20-2016, 02:15 PM	#123
griz31 Second Lieutenant 172 Rep 254 Posts Drives: 2020 BMW 330xi Join Date: May 2016 Location: Northern Virginia iTrader: (0)	Sport + mostly. I like the throttle response and steering feel the best in this mode. Im not sure I know what the difference is between Sport and Sport + other than DTC, but I always pick + for some reason.
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09-24-2016, 04:03 PM	#126
BentZero Lieutenant Colonel 625 Rep 1,753 Posts Drives: 6MT Mineral White M235i Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Charleston, SC iTrader: (2)	I'm getting better at getting the back to slide out a bit. Rain yesterday, sport+ and on a long sweeping right with no oncoming traffic. Kept it in second and steadily increased throttle. Back end progressively slid out. Applied opposite lock and then the nannies kicked in a second or so later to get things back in line. I still get a thrill out of doing it, but I feel like I'm getting a lot more accustomed to it. As they say, repetition is the mother of skill. Happy driving folks.
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09-25-2016, 04:17 PM	#131
BPC Private First Class 46 Rep 122 Posts Drives: 2016 M235i Convertible Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Columbia SC iTrader: (0)	almost always sport mode. sometimes comfort. haven't had long runs but would consider eco mode (what i call audi mode) if i had a several hour stretch of boring highway. i get horrible gas mileage using sport, but am fine with that. i like hearing the exhaust.
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