[Remonster]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Barf. No.
M cars have LSDs from the factory, wider fenders, and better suspension/tuning than their counterparts. Also their interiors are better materials. It's not just the engine and BTW this car should have more HP ala the 1M if it was an M engine. The M performance M235i is no full ///M car. I think the Audi RS vs S comparison is completely accurate. This is BMW's S car.

The M Performance cars like this do have unique bushings, power steering calibration, etc. so they don't handle like normal series BMWs but they still fall short of full M cars like the 1M.

[ozinaldo]

Originally Posted by bbarclay410

it is no less an M car than the 1M coupe. the 1M featured a suped up N54, if im correct, both this car and those previously mentioned M models (MX5 35d, M535d etc) are the same way either diesel or regular gasoline powered models, yet with added horsepower (and also feature a "powered by ///M" badge on the engine cover). The M division of BMW simply produces suped up versions of the typical BMW models, so how is this model any different?

Plus, this is not an M Sport model, it is a true M car because it is powered by an M tuned engine. Theres a difference between putting an M badge on a 335i and putting an M badge on this car. On another important point, this is essentially the next generation of the 1M Coupe. They did comparisons between the M135i and the 1M Coupe.

Why so many people even took this totally flawed (or intentionally provocative) post and kept on commenting on it? This post does not possess any knowledge or insight so much so that if you reverse everything he/she claims you are practically closer to truth.

Just one example: M Division Chief himself said in an interview, replying a question, which has its own thread here (please search) that M235i is NOT next generation 1M, neither was M135i, it will be a M2 if and when it takes a green light for production.

I mean, seriously, every single sentence up there, just reverse it upside down!

And unfortunately it seems to me that this is exactly the target client profile BMW is relying on with M Performance models

[sid21177]

that awful hood line & the stuck out kidney grilles - why BMW why ??

[xl5]

The hood's cut line on most new cars is the result of pedestrian protection laws.

Again, I'll wait for better photos.

[vinny84]

In regards to it being a real M or not.

Having been interested in this model for about a year now, I already knew from the start that this isn't going to be an actual M developed vehicle. However, giving the promising stats and with the available option of LSD, it's certainly a win and I'm certain it will be a blast to drive and I will be taking this to the track as well.

Is it going to be an M car? No, but I think BMW giving it an M Performance treatment is fine and will live up to its name. I think everyone can expect that this will have better performance than the 335i/435i M Sport at a lower price point. That's just my .02

[mdosu]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

anybody noticed the badge font is not italic like other models ?

Originally Posted by aajami

Good catch. That seems odd.

Originally Posted by jzcrna

Old school BMW lettering! A purposeful emphasis?

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Same font as the the M 550d and X5 M50d.

Originally Posted by bizzyqu

M Cars aren't italicized either. I guess it goes for almost M cars as well.

Guys that "block" font style is for BMW M cars. The M3's and M5's font are not exactly the same, but very similar in terms of block lettering style:





The reason M235i is not 100% the M block style is b/c..well, it's not a full-fledged M car. It's BMW's new "performance" line segmentation separating entry level, performance, and M lines.
The non-M cars follow the same 435i style, the font with has more curves, etc. here's an old 335i font style, it's almost 100% like the 435i style:

[mdosu]

^ also, in the past, the font style adds about 40 hps!

[tonmonde]

super dope! need to make another ED trip soon!

[Zirenz2006]

Anyone know if HUD will be an option?

[vinny84]

Originally Posted by Zirenz2006

Anyone know if HUD will be an option?

I don't think it will be, but I hope so. Not a deal breaker at all if it isn't.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Zirenz2006

Anyone know if HUD will be an option?

Not available on 1 Series, so very doubtful for 2 Series.

[Vervain]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

this comment is so '90s...

Agreed. It's becoming annoying now..

[Cope]

Originally Posted by W///

Not available on 1 Series, so very doubtful for 2 Series.

I swear I just saw a jalopnik post about the next mini getting a pseudo HUD, would be unfortunate to see the 2 series not follow suit.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Jason

The 4 Series Convertible will make its debut at the LA Auto Show.



Yes, the 2 Series debuts at Detroit, together with the M3 and M4.

Jason, how can production in a few weeks without the pricing and options being revealed ?

Are they building spec cars until then ?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by bbarclay410

it is no less an M car than the 1M coupe. the 1M featured a suped up N54, if im correct, both this car and those previously mentioned M models (MX5 35d, M535d etc) are the same way either diesel or regular gasoline powered models, yet with added horsepower (and also feature a "powered by ///M" badge on the engine cover). The M division of BMW simply produces suped up versions of the typical BMW models, so how is this model any different?

Plus, this is not an M Sport model, it is a true M car because it is powered by an M tuned engine. Theres a difference between putting an M badge on a 335i and putting an M badge on this car. On another important point, this is essentially the next generation of the 1M Coupe. They did comparisons between the M135i and the 1M Coupe.

Oh I hear you - I think this is just the way it's gonna be from here on out - just feels a little wrong somehow.

[PopsnBurbles]

If the M235i is an M car (as some people here claim), does that make my 135is an M car as well? As far as I know, the M235i replaces the 135is.

If so, GREAT! I've got an M car!
If not, ahh...it's nothing to me because I know my car and our true place. C'mon, get real! the M235i is no M car.

If you push that the 1M is no M car, then the M235i that much less of an M car. Remember, M badges and M accessories do not define an M car.

[clbmw]

After 200 plus comments (including my own) of 'it is' or 'it isn't an M car' who actually cares? When it's said and done surely the important thing is how it actually drives.

[PeterKBMW]

This was from the event that we saw the 2 series at (X5 Ride & Drive). Photos were not supposed to be posted, I guess the person that uploaded doesn't care about risking their position.

They did not however say we couldn't share this information (seen in the picture). This was included in our X5 packet.

[BMW-M2]

Were these pics already posted?

[PeterKBMW]

Those photos are from the event that was happening yesterday/today/tomorrow.

[pazzo]

Originally Posted by ozinaldo

Just one example: M Division Chief himself said in an interview, replying a question, which has its own thread here (please search) that M235i is NOT next generation 1M, neither was M135i, it will be a M2 if and when it takes a green light for production.

I mean, seriously, every single sentence up there, just reverse it upside down!

So the M division chief is full of it, and doesn't know what he's saying?


I get it, you have a 1M which may be obsolete soon. Don't sweat it, but I doubt BMW will slow down progress because of you.

When we see what the final M2 will look like, when/if it's released we can do real comparos.

Maybe the M Badge will be diluted but it will only be in the eyes of the "purists" and not everyday consumers.
If BMW can throw in a stock N55, with a slight tune, M Brakes and slap a M badge on it to get more market penetration at a cheaper price point than the direct competition (usintg existing manufacturing/tooling), it's could be considered marketing genius. Especially since most BMW's already outperform their competition and a smaller/less expensive M2 would appeal to a much younger demographic.

I'd say leave the marketing and engineering to BMW.
It seems like everyone would like a replacement for the e92/M3 sub 50k.
Ain't gonna happen.

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by BMW-M2

Awesome find !! First pics of the rear of the car !!!