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      01-17-2018, 02:57 PM   #45
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The M240 with the DINAN INTAKE/EXHAUST/COMPUTER-TUNE is pushing out 425HP with Torque numbers in the 480s which are crazy high numbers and no street car truthfully could have much more power than that which could be used without risking jail time and loosing your license and then you’re walking making car noises because thats all you can drive anymore, your legs.

DINAN STUFF:

I have to say I love the sound the DINAN Exhaust makes. I live the extra HP it gives. I love the response the car has with that balls to wall torque it pushes out. The badge? Meh.. I could care less about the badge, I was just tying to point out the silliness of the point system and that it means money spent not necessarily performance gained. I have driven M3s and M4s and personally I think they are too physically big (I call them daddy cars on lots of steroids) I love the one and two series cars because it’s smaller and to me sportier/racier and maneuverable. Not a speed boat on wheels. That’s just me, they seem to big to me to be a “Sports car.” The one and two’s to me are pushing it but still passable.

M2 VS M240 discussion:

M2 MSRP - $53,500
M240 MSRP $45,300

That’s $10,200. So my only point is if you buy an M240 and invest $6,000 (Computer, intake, exhaust, suspension- springs, cambers, bump-stops,) with OZHLT 19” rims) you save save $5K and the car is faster and will handle arguably equally as well. Yes the M2 has a higher ceiling but then that’s according to DINAN $8,000 above and beyond the already almost $10,500 more you have spent. So yes you’ll have reached that higher ceiling at almost $20,000 more invested at that point. Where as M240 + DINAN means a better performing car than the stock M2 at an over $5,000 savings. That’s all I was saying. Not really really comparing all the exponential possibilities and capabilities. I don’t care for automatic vehicles i learned to drive in Europe and think automatics are lame, so mine is a manual 6 speed so that’s a non issue in comparing them. Put 19”OZHLT RIMS on or just buy the M2 rims and sell the M240s, but the OZs are better rims and can be actually be cheaper. Put the 6K in with he rims and it’s more powerful and super well handling car for less money. But again, if you’re trying to use this on the street, hopefully you like Bologna sandwiches and kool-aid because that’s what you’ll eat for a few days in lock-up and you’ll be walking after that. A DINAN M240
Is already more than you can use on the street so unless you’re go Ng to spend some time and money on the track, the M2 just to me isn’t worth it. That goes I think to your basic point.. for me, in reality, in DC, the M240 DINAN is the better buy dollar for dollar, HP to HP and in speaking with DINAN they also agree.

THE ROADS:

Now with all that said the roads in the greater washingron DC metropolitan area are terrible. Potholes, chopped up roads, grooves in the roads, speed bumps that could double for skateboarding ramps, salt and sand from rough winters and so on. The roads around here are things that nightmares are made of. The M240 is already so low that it’s somewhat problematic in nature and to lower it with lowering springs would only further exacerbate the problem. Camber plates, bump-stops? Maybe. Lowering the car around here? I’m not so sure.

Please don’t get me wrong, I like the DINAN stuff a lot, I just wish they cared a little more about the customer. The peace of mind is worth it. Fortunately the local DINAN dealer / installer is across the street from BMW and does it for local BMW dealerships, they have a cooperative relationship.

In the end I’m a sport-biker at heart and if anyone has the true need for speed? How about my YamaYZF? The R1 has a 0-60 of 2.6 seconds. What’s going to beat that? Any M car? The Ferrari 488, McLaren or a Lamborghini can’t beat that. And the R1 is slow compared to some other bikes like the GSXR of the Hayabusa.

Anyways, thank you again, I greatly do appreciate your input it was very helpful. This is all still an education for me and a work In Progress. Thank you!

You are taking the power numbers at face value, and that's just not quite correct. A B58 equipped M240i is a bit more tune friendly than the N55, but that is to say, an FBO tuned M2 will still be pushing in similar territory numbers wise.

But you are talking base price M235i/M240i. The M2 already comes with a bunch of stuff equipped as standard.

You can price out a 240 to high 50s easily. If you get a stripper sure, but even with all of that, you have one big limiting factor you aren't taking into account, and that is the subframes and suspension on the M2 are quite different. You have much more room to play with on it vs the F22. You have better brakes, wider rubber, more room to stuff larger wheels, and suspension is all better from the getgo.

Trying to match the M2s overall feel and performance is not going to be as cheap as you suggest. Now if you want to look at lap times, even on short tracks, the 235 is a decent amount behind the M2 in quite a few tracks. We don't have a specific M235 ring time, but we have an M135 for comparison, and its more or less close, we can say +/- 4 seconds, still puts the Non M at a significantly slower pace around the ring for instance.

But all of this is magazine bench racing. At the end of the day its down to a personal decision, but any claims that the M235 or M240 are better cars because you can dump a few thousand and for the same price have a faster car is kind of moot. If you want the same equipment in both cars, and a Limited Slip, they are much closer in price. The MSRP on my car was around 52k for instance, that's well within striking distance of the M2, unfortunately for me, there was no M2 when I got my car, but I am happy enough with the 235 that I am not exactly longing for the M2. But if I was back in 2014 looking at a car to get, M2 1000%.

Each car is different and unique in its own way. The M2 is much more raw, and it can be a pain to live with if the roads in your neck of the woods are unforgiving, but around the track it is a much more fun car to drive. Stock for stock, I drove M240s around the BMW performance center in Thermal, and while a capable car, it is nowhere near as raw as an M2 or m4. The suspension was softer and more bouncy, the car gave out traction much earlier, and was overall less composed.

I don't want to make it seem like the 235/240 are crap, it is still a great performer and a lot of fun to toss around, but just for comparison sake, the M4/M2 feel way more stable and grippy.

But that is precisely the point here, sure you can dump 6k and be in a similar price range, but at the end of the day, the M2 is the complete package already... and then some.

The very fact that you are using it as a benchmark for your mods is telling to begin with. Also at the end of the day, the M2 will typically turn more heads as well.
Will just add that even if you spend the exact same 240 $ + mod $ versus M2 $, assuming you aren't going to keep the car forever, come resale time that mod $ is worthless and may in fact hurt the value of the underlying vehicle since most used buyers want stock cars that haven't been abused. So in 3-5 years the M2 could end up costing quite a bit less all things considered.
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Will just add that even if you spend the exact same 240 $ + mod $ versus M2 $, assuming you aren't going to keep the car forever, come resale time that mod $ is worthless and may in fact hurt the value of the underlying vehicle since most used buyers want stock cars that haven't been abused. So in 3-5 years the M2 could end up costing quite a bit less all things considered.
I think that last part you meant the other way around. An unmolested M2 vs modded M240, the M2 will retain its value better.
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Will just add that even if you spend the exact same 240 $ + mod $ versus M2 $, assuming you aren't going to keep the car forever, come resale time that mod $ is worthless and may in fact hurt the value of the underlying vehicle since most used buyers want stock cars that haven't been abused. So in 3-5 years the M2 could end up costing quite a bit less all things considered.
I think that last part you meant the other way around. An unmolested M2 vs modded M240, the M2 will retain its value better.
Yes what I meant was round numbers M2 60k vs M240 50K + Dinan 10k are equal today. When you sell in 3 years M2 is worth 35k, M240 is worth 25K, Dinan is worth basically 0.

So M2 costs 25K to drive, M240 costs 35K. Again purely illustrative using round numbers.
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Yes what I meant was round numbers M2 60k vs M240 50K + Dinan 10k are equal today. When you sell in 3 years M2 is worth 35k, M240 is worth 25K, Dinan is worth basically 0.

So M2 costs 25K to drive, M240 costs 35K. Again purely illustrative using round numbers.
Right, I knew what you meant

Even with all this, I am not trying to take away from the 235/240, they are still amazing cars. But I don't know why people feel the need to try and show up the M variants. This was also true for sometime with the top end 3 series etc vs the M3 and such.

I had an e36 M3 back in the day, and the argument was, why buy an M3 when you can just mod the 328 to be almost the same thing. Or 335 tuned vs M3. And the thing is, at the end of the day, you might be faster, or make more power, but the overall experience is not going to be the same. More goes into the car than just power numbers. You would be surprised down to some of the smaller details that are different, even on e36s, which were arguably the least different from the non M. With the e46 M3, the e90, F80, and now the F87vs F22, there are pretty pronounced differences that you are not going to get around. And there are some annoyances you will ultimately encounter.

One big gripe I do have with the F22, that the F87 does not suffer, is sticking wider wheels on the car. We are fairly limited with what we can do on our cars due to the offsets. Its a little disheartening that I can stuff way thicker wheels and tires on my 18 year old Z3 that makes crap for power than on my 235 which really needs it. M2 for instance, doesn't have this issue, you can stick some pretty meaty rubber due to the wider fenders.

One part of the above equation people talked about, of money spent on the 2 series to outperform the M2, if you were to add in the cost of brakes, subframes, and fender widening, you are going to overshoot the cost of the M2 by a heavy margin, and still, as you mentioned, its not going to do much for your resale.

This has been discussed to death over and over in all honesty though. For practical reasons, in what 99% of people will use their cars for, the non M F22 is very close to an M2. I mean stop light to stop light, you wont really feel too far behind an M2, nor really on brisk drives etc.

But if you track your car, and really like to push it, and that feel is important to you, the behavior of the car at its brink, there is no denying the M2s superiority in this respect.

But at the end of the day, each car is great in its own right, trying to constantly peg them against each other and claim one as the better is pointless. They are both better at their respective purposes, and both are great. Buy the one you want, the one prefer. It shouldn't matter, for all intents and purposes they are so close in price anyways.
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This has been discussed to death over and over in all honesty though. For practical reasons, in what 99% of people will use their cars for, the non M F22 is very close to an M2.
After I almost puked in an M3 at SC driving school, I asked my instructor who was driving the car - the guy who just set the new drift record - how many owners drive their cars anywhere near the limit. He told me close to none.

Think a lot of this gets into theoretical bullshit that has no real world application. Yes for track day all of this matters, but for street driving we'd all be fine with a 230 most of the time. Beyond that it's a mix of want to have fun with something we can only sometimes let loose, looks, or ego.
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After I almost puked in an M3 at SC driving school, I asked my instructor who was driving the car - the guy who just set the new drift record - how many owners drive their cars anywhere near the limit. He told me close to none.

Think a lot of this gets into theoretical bullshit that has no real world application. Yes for track day all of this matters, but for street driving we'd all be fine with a 230 most of the time. Beyond that it's a mix of want to have fun with something we can only sometimes let loose, looks, or ego.
Exactly. I'd gone against an M2 in a stoplight to stoplight spirited launch. Manual M2 vs auto M235/M240 its really a drivers race.

Like you said, its all about what you want, what you want people to see. There are a few people that really drive the piss out of their cars, but at the end of the day, even all the modding, and power, and exhausts etc, most of the time fully modded cars mostly are used to show up other cars at a stoplight or highway run.

The lesson here, be happy with what you chose, have, no reason to try and make the argument its better than something else. It might be better to you, and that's all that matters
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An M235/M240 RWD, OEM staggered wheels and MPSS tires, and a true LSD is much closer to the handling numbers of the M2 than some people may want to believe. In a comparo test of the 228i vs M235 vs M2, the M235 was only 0.5 seconds off the lap pace of the M2 on a 1.5 mile track. The M2 has a decent bit more power, wider MPSS tires, more performance oriented shocks, a more robust suspension setup for track driving, and better brakes. There's little doubt in my mind that an M235/240 with wider MPSS or PS4 tires and wheels (especially in the front), more aggressive pads, and a basic tune will be right on the heels if not hanging with a stock M2. I feel that the M235/M240 is intentionally fitted with narrow wheels and tires to keep the capabilities of the car a bit lower. The front end really could use some help. 225 width front tires aren't cutting it. 0.5 seconds on a 1.5 mile track isn't hard to make up with just rubber improvements and brakes.

Dynamically, the M2 is going to "feel" better no matter what you do to the M235/M240. With that said, it doesn't take much to elevate the M235/M240.

Thank you BEM-S4, pz619, VIN240i13, Xutvjet, Shundel, Ron Jeffries, nikman011, Dylan86, Mr. Carrots et all for your awesome comments! Really, really appreciate them as I am still in the learning process. Many of you are lightyears ahead of me in knowledge and experience with these matters so thank you for commenting on this post this is a great educational experience for me!

WHAT IS A SPORTS CAR?

A car is considered to be "High performance" if it has a lot of power relative to the weight of the car. The term sports car was first used in 1919 in The London Times. What it is? It is essentially defined as a car that is aerodynamic with a low center of gravity, designed for performance at high speeds. It’s broad enough that both the M2 and the M240i are legitimately “Sports Cars” in every sense of the word.
So when you talk about the M240 and the M2 I would like to talk about what makes them sports cars rather than what’s better or not because as several people the term “Better” is relative in nature. There has been a lot of discussion that has sparked some interest surrounding around the differences between the M240i and the M2. Serval posters pointed out the differences between the handling capabilities of the two cars and the capabilities of the engines.

So here are some items to consider.

HORSEPOWER & TORQUE [T= (r)(F))] or T=dL/dt and Cost

The M2 comes stock with 361 HP (not 365HP), the BMW specification sheets have been intentionally misrepresented by BMW for specific marketing and market share reasons. The M240i comes stock with 365HP (Not 335HP) again, the BMW specification sheets have been intentionally misrepresented by BMW for specific marketing and market share reasons. Both cars have been dynamometer torque load tested yielding the peak torque and peak horsepower numbers that contradict BMWs misrepresented specification sheets. The M2 has no Upholstery, trim options. The only options are Moon-roof, Apple CarPlay, and the Executive Package to get headlight upgrades, driving assistant etc).

I specced the two cars out so they have essentially the same features making the M240 $8,506.00 cheaper). People actually swap their M2 rims out for OZ rims which are rated among some of the best rims in the world for racing. With all the upgrades it still makes the M240i $1500 cheaper with more Horsepower, more torque, better wheels with amazing performance upgrades Throw on ECS-Tuning Carbon fiber spoiler, mirror caps, kidney grills and skirts for $500 (like I did) and it even looks cooler than the M2.

Stock M2: 361HP / 343 ft-lb ($57,950 + DCTAX $3,477 = $61,427)
Stock M240i: 369HP /414 ft-lb ($49,925 + DCTAX $2,995 = $52,920)
M240 DINAN/OZ 425HP / 488 ft-lb ($52,925 + DINAN/OZHLT $7,000 = $59,925)

** DINAN/OZ includes Intake, Exhaust, computer. Camber, Springs, Bump stops, Anti-Roll-bar,) and OZHLT-19.

Key differences between the cars is the suspension, wheel base etc. The question comes up a lot, “Why bother with the M2.

Now with all that said below is a video of a Stock 2018 M240i (No upgrades) beating the M2 in the ¼ mile. I have come across other articles that have done similar tests with similar results. Plus with the DINAN Performance Exhaust, the M240i just sounds meaner. People look at my car if the engine is revving a little, it sounds like a trace car and I can hear and feel the deep notes of rumbling inside the car as well. “…it was clear the gap… had been reduced. The M240i’s mid range feels punchier... In fact, a speed comparison shows the M240i to be a little quicker.” So straight line performance of Stock is quicker and the M240i DINAN/OZ is obviously going to widen that gap between the two cars. Either way there is no question that the M240i DINAN/OZ has significantly more HP and Torque than the Stock M2 at $1500 cheaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watchtime_continue=19&v=P5C76mFjzIU.

In a straight line race no question that the M240i-DINAN/OZ wins.

LET’S BE HONEST:

Now let’s be honest some people just love the stigma of what a “True M car” means and they want bragging rights to say “I have an M… “ Those re the people that qualify for the BMW jokes like What is the difference between a BMW and a Cactus? With a BMW the pricks are on the inside. Or ow do you know if someone drives a BMW? Don't worry, they'll tell you. I don’t need that that’s also why I would run stealth with an M2 if I had it. What matters is when the rubber hits the road. I used to work with the National Museum of the American Indian and an expression people use is “Is it the Indian or is it the Bow?” So when driving never forget it also matters that Native American Scout shoots that arrow because honestly it often really is the Indian and not the Bow.

CORNERING / HANDLING:

So now when it comes to handling, cornering etc that, as several people pointed out, is where the difference is in the cars. So I come to a handling and a practicality discussion.

In speaking with two local BMW modification companies, one in California and directly with DINAN, all three companies agree that with wheel and suspension upgrades, the gap between the M240i with the LSD (which mine has) and the M2 is negligible at best when it comes to actual driving, track or street. In the another California based modification company I spoke with said they would take the modified M240i over the stock M2 in a track race and in fact they did that and the M240i they indicated had more stable performance than the stock M2. DINAN also agreed that the modified M240i is a better performer in many aspects than the stock M2. It has been suggested that could anyone other than a real professional tell the difference between the Stock M2 and the M240i DINAN/OZ? The differences at that stage seem to be so slim that from a handling perspective how different is really? Several people in the industry have said, it’s really limited at best and the layman would have tough time pointing the differences out. Mr. Carrots says the M2 is a better “Modder option” sure but that means your spending another 10K on top of the already 10K more the car is, so that means 20k? Umm OK but at that price maybe you need to look at another car then? What’s out there for $75 or 80K? A lot. DINAN will tell you hands down that the M240i is a much easier and thus less expensive car to modify than the M2. I do agree whole heartedly with Ron Jeffries that “Better and best require context” which is why I say M240i DINAN/OZ Convertible and a CRV or an Outback for the winter and that people should buy what they want.

WHAT A BODY:

As a side note, it was also suggested that the M2’s lines perhaps may cause some drag, the M240i is a straighter body and is thus more aerodynamic causing less drag and there have been sever discussions that cars that are very low to the ground and designed to be as such (Say a McLaren) are designed in such a way as to reduce wind drag and that is not necessarily the case with the M2 or the M240i, so there is some opinions that the lower stance of the perhaps M2 causes additional drag resulting in some slight performance gaps. Also with all that extra line work in the body, I feel like BMW may have perhaps made a slight mistake and made it look perhaps a little Kit-ish in nature? And there is again that question of wind drag from underneath the vehicle(s). Also, unless you’re a real aficionado and you like this stuff you’re not going to really see the differences. Your wives and girlfriends are going to be like “Umm.. yeah.. I guess it’s different looking.. sort of I guess..” I mean honestly look at the two cars, we see it because we like this stuff, but your average Jane Doe and many John Doe’s with no prodding are going be like “They are different looking? Umm.. OK I guess so.” Mine with the carbon fiber trim stuff and so forth stands out more but stock body to stock body, to others than people like us that are in to this stuff, it’s subtle. I sat there with my car parked next to an M2 and my better half (Who is a very sharp New York City trained Wall Street litigation attorney and a Partner in the firm) was like, “It’s mostly in your mind the difference, they essentially look the same.” So, that led me to a totally impromptu on the spot unscientific poll, and all (100%) of the female passer-by’s agreed with her. In the end she was like “I told you so, they basically look the same” lol. I took all the badging off my car, so I’m running in semi-stealth mode. Additionally the M2 has basically no trim options, no upholstery options etc. and only comes in a coup and I bought the convertible which you cannot buy in the M2. Convertibles look awesome in the summer.

PRACTICAL OR NOT?

I agree with Dylan86, get a proper inclement weather vehicle if you’re worried about that, forget about that “ix” it’s a performance killer compared to the RWD, for bad weather buy a used Subaru Outback or a Honda CRV like VIN240i13 drives or something, FORBS puts the Jeep Renegade and the Outback at top billing but I like the Honda just because they never die. People are out there with Honda Elements with over 400K miles on them. I also agree with Dylan86 in his 01/12 assessment and opinion. I think he is spot on and so do all of the modification companies I have been speaking with to include DINAN. My only difference from Dylan86 is I think the M2 is over rated and the M240i modified is a better buy making the M2 not worth it to me.

What’s a better daily driver? Well obviously as Nikman011 pointed out the M240i is a more practical daily driver, but most professional modification companies would disagree that the modified M240i and M2 gap is really there. I live in Washington DC and our roads are horrible and our winters have been beating us and the roads up even more so in recent years. Driving around some lowered tuned up car all year long just isn’t practical which is why I did everything but lower my car, a low car is just gonna bottom out all day long around here. I know pz619 disagrees with much of this, but so far all the professionals I have spoken to on the phone or in person are right in line with what I’m saying, or I should actually say I’m in line with what they are saying, which is why I bought the M240, it was based on all this research I did before I made my purchase. All this research was pre-purchase, which convinced me hands down that the M240-LSD DINAN/OZ was and is the way to go. I’ll smoke a stock M2 no problem. Remember all this is also contingent on the “Indian” not just the “Bow” factor and thank god all that money the USG spent on teaching me to drive makes me as my Lumbee, Zuni, Sioux and Cheyanne Indian friends would say a half way decent “Scout.”

Bottom line is I love my M240i-DINAN and feel I made the right choice and ended up with yes I’ll say it a “Better” car for the price because I’m not going to spend even more money modifying an M2, it’s already overpriced with NO room for negation with their silly 6 month wait and I look forward to getting my OZHLT 19 “ wheels. I was able to Special Order my BMW from BMW Germany using the BMW Diplomate Purchase Program which saved me $6,000 off the MSRP and they threw in the cost for the Caron Fiber trim package (Spoiler, Kidney-grill and mirror caps). SO all the price discussion in my case actually has an additional $6,000 in that gap which paid for my DINAN upgrades and will pay for the OZHLT rims. With that said I also cannot wait for April/May to get back on my Sport Bike and feel some real rush from those un-godly sport bike speeds.
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Exactly. I'd gone against an M2 in a stoplight to stoplight spirited launch. Manual M2 vs auto M235/M240 its really a drivers race.

Like you said, its all about what you want, what you want people to see. There are a few people that really drive the piss out of their cars, but at the end of the day, even all the modding, and power, and exhausts etc, most of the time fully modded cars mostly are used to show up other cars at a stoplight or highway run.

The lesson here, be happy with what you chose, have, no reason to try and make the argument its better than something else. It might be better to you, and that's all that matters
Agreed.

I see this conversation is still going on in the 2 series forum. I had a M235i and loved it, but really wanted a M2. Now nearly two years later, mostly due to my impatience; I'm finally going to pick up one at the performance center in SC. I modded my M235i with Dinan bolt ons, short of the tuning box. I had the springs, intake, exhaust, resonator delete, and exhaust, which gave me the Dinan badge.

I loved the way the car drove and had fun at my HPDE. Having said all that, I still wanted the M2. Every time I watched a video or lurked over at the F87 forum, it just made me want it more. I just like the way it looks, sounds and it's what I wanted. Long story short, I traded the M235i, got a Focus RS, the opportunity came for me to get a 18 M2, and I'm going for it.

I don't know what my point is, but I guess, get what you really want, enjoy it, and don't worry about what other people think.
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I hope you enjoy the M2 and hope you'll tell us all about the comparisons.

I wanted a convertible and xDrive, so I could get down to one car. I love the shape of the M2 and wish my car looked like that. As for performance, I've not driven one but suspect I wouldn't much care.

I do need more noise from the M240i though ...
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I hope you enjoy the M2 and hope you'll tell us all about the comparisons.

I wanted a convertible and xDrive, so I could get down to one car. I love the shape of the M2 and wish my car looked like that. As for performance, I've not driven one but suspect I wouldn't much care.

I do need more noise from the M240i though ...
Mine is also a convertible, love it and mine makes plenty of noise with that DINAN Exhaust. Maybe you can change your exhaust. I think the M240i looks better, all those extra lines on the M2 to me seem a little Juvi. And the reality of it is that most people will never see the difference.
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The Dinan exhaust is nice, and I would recommend it. It's really nice with the resonator delete.
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The Dinan exhaust is nice, and I would recommend it. It's really nice with the resonator delete.
Yes, my Dinan exhaust is just loud enough to amuse my neighbors rather than aggravate them when I start 'er up for the 07:00 school-run.
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I'm interested in the reliability overall of doing a Dinan (228i) suspension upgrade. It seems the reviews for this particular model are pretty good, but I do tend to take long california desert drives, and don't like the prospect of being stuck in the middle of nowhere due to a suspension failure...


Also...I kind of feel stock THP is already so good...there isn't as much incentive to upgrade...
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I'm interested in the reliability overall of doing a Dinan (228i) suspension upgrade. It seems the reviews for this particular model are pretty good, but I do tend to take long california desert drives, and don't like the prospect of being stuck in the middle of nowhere due to a suspension failure...


Also...I kind of feel stock THP is already so good...there isn't as much incentive to upgrade...
The Dinan suspension upgrade on my 228i has been trouble-free for two years now. I strongly advise that you combine it with the Shockware mod that reprograms the shocks and is not available for any of the other F-22 cars as far as I know. It has made an enormous difference to the car's driving dynamics. While they continue to be civilised in city driving (I am in CA, too), when you push the car you will experience a lot less understeer, much better communication with the road, instantaneous response to driver inputs and very little dive and roll under heavy braking and acceleration. Even more than the tune, this mod has transformed the car into a really capable sports coupe; it is very quick and handles beautifully. Above all (and I apologise if I am repeating myself) do not get the work done at a Dinan-licensed dealership service department. Find the most reputable BMW tuner shop with a Dinan contract that you can (I'd be happy to share mine in Los Angeles) where a BMW-certified master mechanic can do the work. Do NOT use a dealer service shop for suspension replacement. And make sure you get the bump stops.
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AARRGH I'm trying to resist! and also please don't tell me how great the M2 front lower control arm upgrade is!


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The Dinan suspension upgrade on my 228i has been trouble-free for two years now. I strongly advise that you combine it with the Shockware mod that reprograms the shocks and is not available for any of the other F-22 cars as far as I know. It has made an enormous difference to the car's driving dynamics. While they continue to be civilised in city driving (I am in CA, too), when you push the car you will experience a lot less understeer, much better communication with the road, instantaneous response to driver inputs and very little dive and roll under heavy braking and acceleration. Even more than the tune, this mod has transformed the car into a really capable sports coupe; it is very quick and handles beautifully. Above all (and I apologise if I am repeating myself) do not get the work done at a Dinan-licensed dealership service department. Find the most reputable BMW tuner shop with a Dinan contract that you can (I'd be happy to share mine in Los Angeles) where a BMW-certified master mechanic can do the work. Do NOT use a dealer service shop for suspension replacement. And make sure you get the bump stops.
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AARRGH I'm trying to resist! and also please don't tell me how great the M2 front lower control arm upgrade is!
It's not great...it's better than that.
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How are you liking that GT? Was thinking about one for realtor GF but found a sedan that was too good a deal to pass up.
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How are you liking that GT? Was thinking about one for realtor GF but found a sedan that was too good a deal to pass up.
Liking it alot, with the understanding of its purpose, quite apart from my 2. Has all the "goodness" of BMW engineering refinement, perfectly assembled, quiet/comfortable, great powertrain (again, understanding it's a 4) with seamless trans, gobs of room with wheelbase stretch and generous cargo. It's the "family/going out with others" car and for that purpose, does a superb job. With ~$9300 off and zero down $492/month 3 year lease, how could I resist? Not planning a single mod....ok, well, maybe a non-dealership license plate frame.
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How are you liking that GT? Was thinking about one for realtor GF but found a sedan that was too good a deal to pass up.
Liking it alot, with the understanding of its purpose, quite apart from my 2. Has all the "goodness" of BMW engineering refinement, perfectly assembled, quiet/comfortable, great powertrain (again, understanding it's a 4) with seamless trans, gobs of room with wheelbase stretch and generous cargo. It's the "family/going out with others" car and for that purpose, does a superb job. With ~$9300 off and zero down $492/month 3 year lease, how could I resist? Not planning a single mod....ok, well, maybe a non-dealership license plate frame.
Yeah that's the thing about that car. It catches a lot of hate, but for what it's designed to do it does it very well. No it doesn't handle like the sedan or even the wagon, but the back seat is massive and the whole form factor is very versatile.

It's a perfect highway hauler that you can fit fully grown people in comfort.
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Yeah that's the thing about that car. It catches a lot of hate, but for what it's designed to do it does it very well. No it doesn't handle like the sedan or even the wagon, but the back seat is massive and the whole form factor is very versatile.

It's a perfect highway hauler that you can fit fully grown people in comfort.
Given the notable improvement in interior room over a 3 or 4, I think of it as my swoopier, bargain, "4-1/2 Series"...not quite a 5, but getting closer!
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