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I had the 330i xdrive for an additional day of driving. I put the 8 speed through it's paces using the manual mode on the gear shifter. With some practice you can easily shift the 8 speed auto as a 8MT without using your left leg. I'll consider an auto next time around. |
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09-15-2017, 10:54 PM | #69 |
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But, that's part of the point....giving your left leg something to do to so it and the part of the brain involved can stay more active! Avoid leg boredom!
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No regrets at all, except when sitting in bumper to bumper traffic. This was my first manual car so going through the learning process of properly downshift/heel toe was frustrating, the satisfaction of getting the downshifts perfect never gets old. Now that im able to do it perfectly on a consistent basis there is no other way i would have this car. I test drove an automatic for a day and it was definitely quicker. It was fun at the begining, but quickly grew bored of it. Manual all the way!!
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No regrets at all in my 2017 230i even with having to wait 1-2 seconds on upshifts for revs to come back down to shift smoothly into the next gear. I just wish there were a way to code out this rev hang on upshifts. Rev-matching on downshifts is very cool though.
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12-16-2017, 11:19 AM | #72 | |
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For a DD 12mo/yr car, auto/DCT is the way to go, for me. I have an auto in my pickup so that's enough, lol For a "fun" car, MT is the only way to go, imo.. There's something about an i6 with long gearing, and a turbo to pull it all the way from 2000-6500rpm that you just can't absorb, with a cut down 8spd gearing setup.. It's intoxicating, and every time I get behind the wheel I remind myself how happy I am to have made the decision to go MT, in this car. I've had dual clutches for the 6-7 years prior to owning this car, and glad I found an analog car, like the m235 with RWD, LSD, MT. Wouldn't switch unless it was an M235iR
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12-16-2017, 12:02 PM | #73 |
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My M235 hardly has any rev hang, but I see lots of complaints about it in the 4 banger cars and have seen videos of it as well. I wonder why the 4 bangers have it so much worse?
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12-16-2017, 12:13 PM | #74 |
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Something in the tuning, for sure. The 2.0t VW's I owned suffered from this as well, but only until they deleted the MAF on the MK7.. May be to do with less rotating mass, as well?
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12-16-2017, 01:30 PM | #75 |
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no regrets at all. BUT I always "need" one 3 pedal car around or that response might be different.
The 8 sp AT in the 235 (and 335 my wife drives) is a marvel BUT I still am in the group that subscribes to 3 pedal vehicles are more involving even if the current ATs and DCTs shift faster than humans. |
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12-17-2017, 10:53 AM | #77 | |
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Also, rev-hang is a newer phenomenon seen mostly in turbo 4 cylinder cars due to newer emissions regulations. There are more emissions when coming off the throttle suddenly, leaving more unburned fuel to pass through. Rev-hang essentially helps to burn all the fuel when coming off the throttle suddenly at the expensive of slightly trickier (although somehow more satisfying) shifting procedure and slightly higher clutch wear. Oh yeah, my incoming m240i is MT/RWD. Hell no, I will not regret the decision to go MT on this car!! I'll reserve the 8AT for my next DD replacement in a few years. The m240i is my pleasure-only car, so wouldn't be anything but a MT.
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12-17-2017, 11:17 AM | #78 |
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On the slippery roads, I like to stay locked in a gear and while the AT can do that, on those days an MT would be nice. On the other hand I'd never give up the xDrive for that, as it's a key component in my compromise to avoid having two cars. Tragic, having to compromise on an M240i convertible but we learn to deal with these things.
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Unfortunately the nearest M240i manual was six hours away with no certainty that I would get a test drive since obviously I wouldn't be buying there. (Apparently in this part of the world dealers only have a MT in stock if someone backs out of a factory order.) I wasn't going to risk having these problems with poor throttle response in a car I hope to keep for 10 years, so I ordered the automatic. I consoled myself by reminding myself I have clutches on my bikes.
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My wife certainly would have preferred I'd have gotten the AT, and because I wanted to stay married another 30 years along with more frequent bumper to bumper commuting, I was fully prepared to do so when I traded my MINI Cooper S with a 6 MT for something new. Actually, the only reason I purchased my m235i when I did was because it was a convertible with the 6 MT and thus I was able to purchase it at a very deep discount because it had been in the dealership's inventory for more than 15 months. I am so glad everything worked out the way it did. I have driven a few service loaners with the AT and it is a great transmission, but I really prefer my 6 MT. It is incredibly smooth and well mated to the N55. The occasional bumper to bumper traffic is not a problem. There are no regrets here at all. Now I just need a similar situation to happen when I finally decide I replace my m235i someday with a Boxster S or M4.
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No regrets on the 6MT in M235i at all either. Love the fact that you can rev at will, play with the engine and clutch release/interplay, etc. I also love the new hold on hill feature. I did also drive the 228i with 6MT and that was a no-go for me because of the rev hang which feels like driving a bus. VW 2.0 Turbos have this same hateful feeling making a manual in those care not too fun either.
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Swapping the 8AT for a 6MT
Every sports car I have owned before came with a MT and the debate about MT or AT went back and forth for a while before I pulled the trigger. One of the core reasons I opted for the 8AT instead of a 6MT for the recent 2018 M240i purchase was for a future vehicle swap / hand-off to the wife. My plan is in 2 to 3 years when the wife’s current ride needs replacement and a bit more scratch is in the bank, the current BIMMER gets an upgrade in the usage department from a weekend only fun car to the wife’s daily driver / top-down day driver. Now I have a reason to buy another weekend only fun car, this time I’ll splurge just a bit more for a true “M” coupe with a 6MT.
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This is my first automatic (other than my truck) and I do not regret it one bit. If I lived out in the country I would probably gotten another manual.
I do love the speed and tech of the 8AT. Previous cars (all manual) Turbo Eclipse SRT4 RX8 S2000 EvoX Audi TT Infinity G37 Nismo 370z I think that's all of them. Tracked all of them. I've earned my right to an automatic haha.
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^^ Agree, if I were living in a large city, with regular commutes/traffic, 8AT/RWD would have been my choice.
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I'm sure that a manual can be fun, holding it a gear to maximize torque and noise but as one poster said you can do that in the auto also. Gear ratios are closer but manual function does work well. I found that it takes some time to really learn how to drive it and use it to get the most out of it. It's not just stomping on the gas. "This isn't your fathers Oldsmobile."
Both are tremendous transmissions but it takes time to learn how to drive them and get proficient with them. If your not having fun with either your not trying hard enough. |
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