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      05-15-2014, 10:36 AM   #23
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on curvy roads I would feel more confident driving the m235i at 9/10s.
I don't think I would feel confident driving the CLA45 at more than 7 or 8/10s.
When I drive the M235i I listen to music.
When I drive the CLA45, I turn off the media center and just listen to the car. I get my enjoyment just from the drive. It is a more "you better be alert" feeling than the M235i.
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sean, v interesting to hear your comments since you own both. did you get the auto or 6-spd M235?
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      05-15-2014, 10:44 AM   #25
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I have an auto M235i. Before that I had a 335is with DCT. I have also owned a 135i w DCT. The ZF 8 speed auto is very good, but not as mechanically satisfying as a DCT. The performance is very similar, but it just doesn't feel as visceral or raw.

The DCT is the CLA45 is not as well developed as the BMW DCT, especially in D or S mode! The DCT is the AMG is very fun and visceral in manual mode though.
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      05-15-2014, 11:22 AM   #26
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I actually thought that was one of the best reviews I've seen in a while they both gave a very objective point of view and described things very well. Much better than the Motor trend review
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I didnt know twin piston brakes are better than the Msport/Brembo 4 piston front and 2 piston rear
Some in the racing world believe that even a single large piston works better than anything else ...
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      05-15-2014, 11:41 AM   #28
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I saw this review the other day, and i kept thinking where i saw those guys before?...
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CLA45 AMG brakes bite very early. I like that.
M235i brakes are very, very good, once you adjust to giving them more input.
Its actually not the fault of the brakes- but the rest of the world coming to a stop in a longer amount of time.
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      05-15-2014, 11:49 AM   #30
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Sorry, but honestly like the Merc AMG better ... The M235i is not truly an M car ... Just my opinion ...
Well you just said it. This is comparing a AMG car with a normal car. It's not an M car so I don't think it's really a fair comparison. Let's revisit this when the M2 comes out and then compare.
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      05-15-2014, 12:13 PM   #31
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Sorry, but honestly like the Merc AMG better ... The M235i is not truly an M car ... Just my opinion ...
I agree that the m235i is not a true m car but that doesn't mean that it can't be better because the cla is a true AMG its just a better car doesn't matter if it's not a M that just means the m2 will blow the cla 45 out of the water
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      05-15-2014, 12:19 PM   #32
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I saw this review the other day, and i kept thinking where i saw those guys before?...
Laurel and Hardy! LOL
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      05-15-2014, 12:29 PM   #33
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Pretty good review. Although I like the looks of the CLA over the 235, probably wouldn't shell out the dough to drive one tho.
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      05-15-2014, 12:42 PM   #34
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This is the second time you can hear it then. Test drove mercedes c350 and had to press on brake super hard just to fully stop vs. 335 mid way on brake. test drove e350 and 535 a year later and still same thing.

Now, CLA amg brakes are probably better than m235i since i (assume) its twin piston both rear and front but who knows.
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I didnt know twin piston brakes are better than the Msport/Brembo 4 piston front and 2 piston rear
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Some in the racing world believe that even a single large piston works better than anything else ...
Piston count has very little direct correlation with braking performance. More pistons can cover a larger surface area and provide a more even distribution of braking force, but your braking strength and mechanical grip (along with weight, weight ratio, suspension, etc.) will ultimately determine your stopping effectiveness. Most brakes have the ability to lock your wheels up anyway.

On the same note, people assume that larger rotors offer a significant improvement to braking force/distance, when it's mainly beneficial toward fade resistance.
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Good review. Also shot in the T-dot, gotta love that.
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On the same note, people assume that larger rotors offer a significant improvement to braking force/distance, when it's mainly beneficial toward fade resistance.


Braking distance in a 1x test is mostly dependent on tires and road surface. Anything with decent disc brakes can lock up a set of 225/40 tires.
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      05-15-2014, 02:52 PM   #37
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The dual clutch in the CLA 45 is amazing..... Not sure how this guy is comparing an automatic torque converter transmission to the AMG DC?
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      05-15-2014, 03:26 PM   #38
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hmm looks like this was shot in Toronto...
Yup, confirmed after I saw the Bloor street bridge
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      05-15-2014, 03:49 PM   #39
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M235i -- YES -- But

I want to see an M235i vs 228i M-Sport with M-Brakes and similar equip.
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I think it is possible that the 228i would be the victor -- Thoughts?
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I want to see an M235i vs 228i M-Sport with M-Brakes and similar equip.
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I think it is possible that the 228i would be the victor -- Thoughts?
I wouldn't be surprise as the engine is lighter.
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      05-15-2014, 04:20 PM   #41
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I wouldn't be surprise as the engine is lighter.
Come on guys. The manufacturers 0-60 speeds aren't even close.
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Come on guys. The manufacturers 0-60 speeds aren't even close.
Each car serves a different buyer, but I've got to admit (as a previous 135i owner), the 228i is more attractive to me than the old 128i was. The N20 engine is incredible. We waited for the N20 update to the X3, and I'm glad we did. The 228i doesn't get down and go quite like the M235i, but it's still plenty quick.

The difference is that the N20 is two cylinders shy of the N55, and has lower weight and better distribution as a consequence. This gives the 228i a different balance. The weight is trimmed from the most important area of the car too; the very front.

When the F30 hit the streets, there was a big hub-bub about a comparo between the 335i and the 328i where the 328i won. All the HP junkies couldn't believe it. How could the car with more horsepower lose? It all came down to the total package, and the price. The 328i had plenty "good enough" performance, with better handling, at a lower price point.

A 228i and M235i spec'd the way I'd order either car (with the 228i up-spec'd to match the equipment of the M235i), the savings is dead on $4,100. That equates to around $50/month. For that money, I want the extra go juice of the N55. I've driven both, and while the difference is noticeable back-to-back, it's not enough for me to give up the lovely sound of the I6 turbo. I understand how someone could easily choose the 228i though. If your focus is on agility, the lighter nose of the 228i does the trick. It reminds me of my MkV GTI.

EDIT: Corrected the difference between the 228i and M235i for my spec. Forgot the brakes!
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It seems these two guys are a couple. I don't see any character in their statements.
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fuel economy city only 19 mpg? thought higher.
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