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You'd need new fenders along with the wheel house liners too.
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02-26-2015, 11:39 PM | #94 | |
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Thing is, the Lime Rock Edition M3, is just an Edition, not really special but paint and some stickers. We Americans didn't get the GTS or the CRT, if I recall. There were not that many E9 3.0 built or sold in the US, and far less of the CSL sort. And the Batmobile racecar is basically where it all started for M cars. It is the grand daddy of them all. So in that it holds a certain sway over many a BMW and car enthusiast, including Jeremy Clarkson, who owned a CSL |
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WE NEVER GET ANY OF THE COOL CARS... NO M3 GTS, and probably no CSL in the future... etc. etc. In the US, we get something much greater than this. We get a mass-production or group buy pricing on all our BMW cars. Look at the MSRP for any of our cars purchased in the US, and folks overseas pay 30 to 100 % more than we do in USD for our cars. So, BMW cannot afford to bring these really rare cars to the US, because the price would be unsound in our market, i.e. they would not sell. Furthermore, the testing, and adding of all regulatory checks and using unsold cars for these purposes would decimate the remaining number of cars available for sale... say in the case of a GTS import. These are my thoughts on why we do not get the COOL CARS that the rest of the world gets. And the reason is we get the COOL PRICING on the cars we can buy here. End of story. |
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Which I agree. And yes, due to a myriad of reasons we do get our vehicles cheaply here compared to other countries, Germany in particular. I certainly agree with almost all that you said however I disagree that the pricing for specialty vehicles here would be unsound. if an I8 can sell at 130k here then an M4 GTS can sell at 110k even if it is 35 k above the regular M4 price. This is a huge market and there are plenty of wealthy people. Other manufacturers bring their special editions here. The selling price/affordability of the vehicle is not the issue. The costs involved with bringing each special edition to the U.S. Are hefty. However, the e36 m3 CSL was sold here. It can be done. And if it takes BMW selling a bunch of 2 series gran tourers and 1 series fwd vehicles to decide that they can maybe splurge and bring a crazy car like an M4 GTS or M2 GTS to the US MARKET that's certainly fine by me. Actually it would leave me with a very smug smile on my face... Perhaps sipping tea |
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02-27-2015, 09:59 AM | #100 | |
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The larger point I was trying to make is that each car has it's moment and place in history, in an automaker's portfolio. I don't expect the next generation to have the same level of appreciations for the cars of our present, as we do today. So if you accidentally come across a clean LRP M3 example drop me a PM. Until then, I'll wait to see what this M2 business is all about and early next year going to decide which ///M is right for me (past and present). |
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FYI, I don't think the ZCP package is worth it at all. I lowered my car to the height I wanted, and also running a European spec M Dynamic Mode, which is way more aggressive than the US ZCP.
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That's not a comment I would expect to hear from another enthusiast. I'll take that boring '70s car any day of the week along with many other cars from that era and the decades before. The 3.0 CSL is the origin of the M division. Oh, and I popped out in the early '80s.
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Well, to connect the dots, it was said the render should take more influence from the Vision GT car, which in turn got some styling inspiration from the original CSL.
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For the general public, no not really. For a BMW enthusiast, yes I do. There's nothing wrong with idolizing '60s Shelby cars. I would love to have a Shelby Cobra or Mustang in my garage. You've liked BMWs for over a decade now after seeing that E46 M3, so I would assume you'd want to know more about them which would probably lead to learning of the prior M cars and their history. The important thing is you know about it now.
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I'm not sure what surprises me most in this thread, the possibility of an M2 CSL version, or that some people have never heard of the E9 CSL. It must be an age thing... or lack of history research. The E9 is the great granddaddy to ALL the BMW performance coupes. |
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But we are discussing the upcoming M2 after all, aren't we? Not scheming how to get into 3.0 CSL. Put your money where your mouth is. Given the option of a new M2/3/4 or that 70's show, where would you end up? I'm going the route of a new car, which brings with it more safety technology, driving dynamics, reliability, luxury, and electronic toys. |
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If money is no object, I would absolutely take the 3.0 CSL over a new M2/3/4. That is also assuming I have another car for a daily driver. If I could only have one car as my sole driver, I would pick a newer M.
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e9 3.0 CSL is more of a BMW ///M car than anything new from the stable.
The raw simplicity and ACTUAL racing heritage sets it MILES ahead of anything since the e30 ///M3 which had similar success |
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