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      12-28-2013, 08:49 AM   #45
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The trunk looks like it belongs on a totally different car. The tail lights are too big and the rear bumper bulges out. I was really interested in this car. Maybe wait for LCI version.
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      12-28-2013, 02:37 PM   #47
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Alpine is much sportier.
AW is a purer white and is not a metallic paint, which is classic but in my opinion bland and ubiquitous. MW under different lighting provides interesting effects, has a cool sheen and feels more special.
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who chose those rims? awful
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      12-28-2013, 06:41 PM   #49
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almost looks like matte white!
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      12-28-2013, 08:35 PM   #50
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Mineral looks like something that belongs on a Lexus
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      12-28-2013, 09:11 PM   #51
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I don't like the headlights near the grilles, otherwise this car is pretty good!
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      12-29-2013, 08:22 AM   #53
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Hello,

i saw yesterday a red m235i (undisguised) in Munich. This Car is very beautiful. In real life it looks much better than on the Pictures. I can not wait anymore :thump:

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Its not too big, its not too small. Its perfect and the Diffusor looks in real good
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Hello,

i saw yesterday a red m235i (undisguised) in Munich. This Car is very beautiful. In real life it looks much better than on the Pictures. I can not wait anymore :thump:

PS.:

Its not too big, its not too small. Its perfect and the Diffusor looks in real good
Interesting - thanks for the comments.

I am really wanting to hear more about the diffuser - you think it looks better in person than it does in pictures ??
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who chose those rims? awful
Since it is a test vehicle, they can use whatever wheels right now (probably winters). This particular wheel belongs to the F20 1 series hatch Urban line, so you will not get them on the F22. They're 17".
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      12-29-2013, 11:39 AM   #56
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Interesting - thanks for the comments.

I am really wanting to hear more about the diffuser - you think it looks better in person than it does in pictures ??
Yes definitely! I was not convinced about the diffuser but now
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      12-29-2013, 11:47 AM   #57
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Yes definitely! I was not convinced about the diffuser but now
This is really good news - I have been worried about the diffuser. I am going to see the M235 in Detroit when it is to be unveiled - the rear end is what I want toto see in the flesh most.

Thanks for the confirmation my man. I appreciate it.
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Yes and with it the bumpers that never match as well.

It's clear it's still a problem too just look at the rear bumper it doesn't match the rest of the car.
If you will apply a second layer of paint the problem is gone.
The bumper plastic is original black. Due to costs, usually no manufacturer (except high cost cars or special orders) applies a lighter pre-layer of paint to ofer a lighter base for the final paint. Don't forget, the metal body of the vehicle has a neutral color prior painting, it is not black.
Also, paint looks different on metal than plastic because the paint adhere different to plastic not to mention the flakes can suffer from static charge as well.
It is very common to any new car, except some colors shows this problem a litle bit more.
If you repaint the bumpers and respect the way/pattern/direction, the car will look better than factory.

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      12-31-2013, 11:49 AM   #60
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If you will apply a second layer of paint the problem is gone.
The bumper plastic is original black. Due to costs, usually no manufacturer (except high cost cars or special orders) applies a lighter pre-layer of paint to ofer a lighter base for the final paint. Don't forget, the metal body of the vehicle has a neutral color prior painting, it is not black.
Also, paint looks different on metal than plastic because the paint adhere different to plastic not to mention the flakes can suffer from static charge as well.
It is very common to any new car, except some colors shows this problem a litle bit more.
If you repaint the bumpers and respect the way/pattern/direction, the car will look better than factory.
This is wrong, all body panels are primed equally prior to base coat.

You don't really think the factory lays paint directly on the panels with no prior layers, do you? Where do people come up with this stuff?
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      12-31-2013, 01:46 PM   #61
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I don't recall saying something about the bumpers not being primed; read properly before commenting. This is common knowledge.
I said "Due to costs, usually no manufacturer (except high cost cars or special orders) applies a lighter pre-layer of paint to offer a lighter base for the final paint".
So I was referring to a layer of paint not primer.

Try your friend Google and search for images "oem primed bumper for sale" and see what color are they. They are black.

The primer applied is in general transparent for two reasons:
- transparent has the least influence on any color
and that leads to
- the bumpers need to be ready for any color when the manufacturer decides what colors he wants



Priming Plastics

P572-2001 Adhesion Primer for Plastics is fast, transparent, suitable for use on all paintable plastic substrates** and helps avoid the need to identify the substrate before spraying.
P572-212 Primer for PP and PE is a low build, ready-for-use transparent primer for use over PE*, PP and PP/EPDM.
P572-173 Primer is a flexible, pigmented primer for use over PUR, PC, PA, Pocan (PBT), ABS, PPO and flexible PVC.These two primers can be mixed together to form a two-component system for use when the plastic substrate is unknown.

http://www.ppg.com/coatings/nexaauto...nPlastics.aspx
They can mix pigmented primer for an ulterior paint but no manufacturer will spend that money on bumpers.




The first layer applied on the bumper it looks different for few reasons:
* The plastic dissipates heat more slowly than metal and drying time is an important factor in appearance. Paint dries more slowly so the chemicals have more time to evaporate and metal flakes have more time to settle, resulting in a different appearance.
* Plastic holds more static electricity than metal and that can cause metal flakes to align different than on a metal surface.
* Paint is much better than in the past, however, the black main color of the bumper still influences the color (especially on lighter colors, opposite to black) if only layer of paint is applied.


For better results you need to apply a second layer of paint; that will eliminate the flake orientation problem and the color will be more consistent eliminating the influence of the black plastic. However, between the two layers we need a drying process so the flakes will set properly this time over the first layer. Two layers applied one after another without a drying step in between will do nothing in terms of flake orientation.

The bumpers will look perfect if two layers of paint are applied, but no manufacturer will spend double time and money when they can paint two bumpers with the same budget.


Nonetheless, look at any new car, due to the first layer applied on black plastic, the bumpers are usually darker than the car.


Where people come up with stuff like this?
Some of us painted some cars in the past and had the chance to visit some very exquisite car factories.
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I worked in a body shop for four years, I didn't do a google search and copy and paste.
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I worked in a body shop for four years, I didn't do a google search and copy and paste.
“Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.”
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Obviously the world revolves around you...
You know, some people own big body shops...
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      12-31-2013, 02:18 PM   #64
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You're a clever one.
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      12-31-2013, 05:00 PM   #65
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My 1 series bumper matches the car lol. It'll just be a bad photo lets not all get worked up
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      12-31-2013, 06:16 PM   #66
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LOL all that above aside, if the manufacturer won't do properly when they produce the car, and there is a mismatch there is a problem. Painting it because the manufacturer didn't do a good job is not a solution.
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