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Yes 25 13.81%
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      01-14-2014, 11:57 PM   #111
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Ive said this many times its not a true M car. Audi has their S line(example TTS) and Audi has their RS Line(TT RS). BMW is moving towards this instead of "M Package" its now M Performance.
Audi has been so much more successful in their "s" and "r" branding than BMW.

For instance, I think an A4, S4, and RS4 are all desirable and represent fairly distinct models.

For the 3 series, I see the 335 M Sport to be a 335 with lots of pretender M badging. There is really just a 335 and an m3.

I think this stems from the fact that for a time the Audi "s" model was really the sports model. The "r" was a much more hardcore and rarer car. It just so happened that the BMW M models were better compared to the "r" models than the "s" models. While "r" models are not as rare as they once were, I think Audi has preserved this notion that base, s, and r are different cars. For BMW, M sport is just lame cosmetic stuff.

Back to the topic, the M235 is truly confusing because it is more like an "s" model that does come with really enhancements over the base 2 series. It is neither a 2 series M Sport or an M2. It is an M235i.

Oh BMW. Why can't you get your act together and make sense like the old days?
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      01-15-2014, 01:32 AM   #112
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If we consider the M235 as a Proper M car then what would we consider the M2

" a M super car " lol
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      01-15-2014, 07:19 AM   #113
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Originally Posted by Ramos
Lol why is this so hard !!
BMW is offering 3 levels of performance to emulate Audi

228 = Audi A3
M235 = Audi S3
M2 = Audi RS3

No it's not a full on M car, it's a halfway M car especially if you add the M performance parts (LSD, suspension and brakes) then it really starts to approach full M level... Only things missing for full on M at that point would be:
1) bespoke motor
2) fender flaring
3) torque vectoring LSD
4) wider rubber
5) better cooling
6) DCT option
7) quad exhaust

This is assuming the m perf brakes and m perf suspension are to the level of full M cars in terms of performance

But then again, who gives a crap?
I like it so I will buy one ..
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      01-15-2014, 09:35 AM   #114
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"Another way to look at it is that with the M235i there is an opportunity to get younger people into an M235i so they get a taste of what an M car could be, and then their next step is to buy the real thing. In the end, we're convinced that we will sell more M3/M4 by getting younger people into the M235i so we can guide them to the real thing."

This pretty much sums it up.
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      01-15-2014, 09:43 AM   #115
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"Another way to look at it is that with the M235i there is an opportunity to get younger people into an M235i so they get a taste of what an M car could be, and then their next step is to buy the real thing. In the end, we're convinced that we will sell more M3/M4 by getting younger people into the M235i so we can guide them to the real thing."

This pretty much sums it up.
Sorry that doesnt make any sense
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      01-15-2014, 09:44 AM   #116
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in the uk we call the M135i an M//Lite
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      01-15-2014, 10:49 AM   #117
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      01-15-2014, 01:46 PM   #118
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The f30 is different. It's still called a 335i no matter how many mods you bolt on to it. The M235i has an official M model designation. That is the whole point of this thread. Does this new designation by BMW have any significance?
no. its just marketing. bmw getting killed by merc and audi and they need to leverage M brand to compete. As mentioned earlier the audi Base, S and RS is now being matched with base, MXXX and MX. I'd never say an S4 = and RS4. They are different animals completely. the "XXXis" didn't do well enough so now its time to whore out the M brand.

Unfortunate but if i ran the company and cared about profit its the right move for them. But don't get too mad...look at Porsche!
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oh and mercedes though AMG was always murkey

http://www.bimmerfile.com/2014/01/05...n-to-mercedes/
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      01-15-2014, 02:02 PM   #120
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Sorry that doesnt make any sense
This is a direct quote from the heads of the M division in Detroit for the reveal. http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=934947
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      01-15-2014, 05:22 PM   #122
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The 19 people so far that voted "Yes" are in fact idiots
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If you are going to call some of the folks here "idiots", you should, at least, use proper grammar and punctuation in your sentences.
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      02-13-2014, 03:12 AM   #123
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Here's Why The BMW M235i Isn't A Real 'M' Car





-The MPA models are BMW's attempt to offer the enthusiast a sporty but moderately priced model similar to Audi's S line, which is a step down from its top-tier RS cars.

"The tradeoff is the core M models are developed for use on the racetrack, but you can use the car daily," said Friedrich Nitschke, who heads the M subbrand worldwide. "We are not so focused with the MPAs.

"We add horsepower, but in the M we develop our own engine and our own suspension and most of the parts."

The MPA models have a sportier interior and performance tuning with a stiffer suspension and beefier brakes. Body work has been added, such as a front apron and door sill strips with aluminum inserts imprinted with M235i.-
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      02-13-2014, 02:53 PM   #124
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There seems to be some confusion between Audi's S models and their S-Line trim packagesl.

Audi "S-Line" cars are not the same thing as the S model. For example, you can get an A4 'S-Line' which is, for all intents and purposes, a base model A4 with some S badging and some nicer options. But, it is most certainly not an S4.

Using the old nomenclature, I believe the comparison models were something like this:

A4 = 328i (or maybe 320i...)
S4 = 335i
RS4 = M3
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      02-28-2014, 10:50 AM   #125
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Well... It's listed under the M section here ;-)

http://www.shopbmwusa.com/VEHICLE-SELECTION
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Well... It's listed under the M section here ;-)

http://www.shopbmwusa.com/VEHICLE-SELECTION
Very interesting.
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      02-28-2014, 11:16 AM   #127
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The 1 M was a much better car......
I tend to wanna agree but if this car is as fast as the 1M without an lsd around certain tracks... A 1M has the aero of a brick and is incredibly twitchy haven driven one.
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