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      03-14-2014, 05:04 PM   #23
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My 95 M3 with the s50 had 240hp, I've since done intake, HFM, fuel injectors and chip to bring it to 275hp. I'd have to add camshafts, a different tune, and catless exhaust to even get it close to 320hp...

I blame BMWNA.
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Surely you jest......

Each iteration of the 3 series has had a better suspension than the previous version, allowing for more grip.

E21 < E30 < E36 < E46 < E90 < F30

what car do you think Bimmerworld and Turner motorsport will run this year? It won't be an F30 just because it's NEW...... but because their testing has shown that the chassis and suspension are better.

In the case of the E46.... it did take a few years of development getting weight out of the chassis... and TMS ran the E36 325s for a little longer... but clearly the E46 325s outpaced the E36 325s they ran in Speed World Challenge etc
I don't think he does jest. It depends how you define things. I don't like the way my E92 handled. It was "good", and on paper I knew it was making me a better driver at the track and just behaved better overall. But it is crazily disconnected and uninvolving compared to the E36. 99.99% of this forum is not a race car driver, not even a weekend driver. Competitive racing such as those described have nothing to do with the argument. People should connect with what speaks to them the most and is the most fun. Most people on here don't--as, by nature, this forum is primarily about buying the latest and greatest. Does not mean it is a better driver's car. It just gets better lap times. That's a big difference.

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My 95 M3 with the s50 had 240hp, I've since done intake, HFM, fuel injectors and chip to bring it to 275hp. I'd have to add camshafts, a different tune, and catless exhaust to even get it close to 320hp...

I blame BMWNA.
Supercharge, my friend.

Put it this way though, you're still making 75hp more than the heavier BRZ/FRS which is a modern vehicle, not developed in the late 80s.
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      03-14-2014, 05:22 PM   #25
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When I drove this car it pretty much felt like my 135is except the steering feel was different. Also it felt a bit softer than the is.
Nice to finally see a 1 Series owner compare the 2.

Would you say the 135is feels more BMWish?
I enjoyed driving the M235 VERY much. I drive a 135i as DD, drive my 1M on weekends, just sold my track built E36 M3 and have had 3 E30 M3"s in last 7 years.

The 1M is the baddest and you haters that didn't get one should get over it. E30 M3's are fun but not compared to current options. A great car but a "Classic" and it's easy to get more better.

135i and E36 M3's are great options and nice price points.

The M235 is a very strong "BMW" and may be one of their best products in years!

It's not a Classic built for a specific reason(e30 m3) and it's not a limited edition future collector(1m) and it's not as cheap to run/use as a E36/E46/E82, but is, NO DOuBT a bad ass BMW in every sense of the term.
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it's so bloated I can't look at it
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      03-14-2014, 05:56 PM   #27
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Also, I question the journalistic credibility of anyone suggesting a turbo engine "doesn't feel" like a turbo. I should also add, to M's credit entirely, that the S50B32 made similar HP on 1atm. No forced induction and similar displacement.
I understand where you're coming from, the e36 M3 was quite good, esp the euro motor.

But we live with certain realities regarding fuel consumption. I would love a solid lifter cam NA 3.2 in a new bmw, but it's not possible today. The good news is that new cars are very good at a lot of things, and very quick, just in different power delivery.

Even better news is that we can buy older cars with great NA motors for a lot less money
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They made an e36 M3?Oh yeah yeah, that one. Ok. Sure.
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i've driven the m235i and own an e36 m3 that i daily. m235i is a great car. if you want a newer car with all the tech and comfort go for the m235i but if you want the raw and simplistic m car go for the e36. i don't bmw can get back to the days of the e36 that easily
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They made an e36 M3?Oh yeah yeah, that one. Ok. Sure.
What's that supposed to mean?
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This car is bigger and heavier than the 1series. It is no e36 m3
The m235 is LIGHTER than the 135i
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This car is bigger and heavier than the 1series. It is no e36 m3
The m235 is LIGHTER than the 135i
I swear it's 3560 or something like that...are the 1er's not 3500?
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Good review. Appreciate the "regular guy" point of view that inspire the reviewer's opinions. Since 95% of the time that's the kind of driving I do, it's the stuff I want to know.

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Test drove one the other day. It is definitely not an M, nor near a pristine e36 M3, nor close to my (heavily modified ) former 135. I would have to modify it once parts become available, thus increasing the price by $10-15k from list @$47K. The fake exhaust/engine sound is humorous at best, but that's where we are all headed. I would recommend buying a 1M or wait for an M2, or buy a low mileage 135 w/ an N54 engine and mod the crap out of it. That being said, it is still a nice car but not one I want in a bad way.
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Test drove one the other day. It is definitely not an M, nor near a pristine e36 M3, nor close to my (heavily modified ) former 135. I would have to modify it once parts become available, thus increasing the price by $10-15k from list @$47K. The fake exhaust/engine sound is humorous at best, but that's where we are all headed. I would recommend buying a 1M or wait for an M2, or buy a low mileage 135 w/ an N54 engine and mod the crap out of it. That being said, it is still a nice car but not one I want in a bad way.
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It's a great car and comparing it to older models doesn't make a lot of sense. I have seen tests where a 135i without PPK did better lap times than an E46 M3. Enthusiasts make a bit deal about NA motors and manual transmissions, but this new stuff delivers the goods, and in a hurry to.
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what car do you think Bimmerworld and Turner motorsport will run this year? It won't be an F30 just because it's NEW...... but because their testing has shown that the chassis and suspension are better.
Actually they are all still running E9x chassis this year. Bimmerworld has one F30 328i in Continental ST class. But they are developing that car, it is not up to speed. They are still campaigning three other E90 328's in the ST class to go after the championship. We will see if Bimmerworld will switch over to the F30 permanently next year. In GS class, I bet Turner, Fall Line, etc. will still run the E92 M3 next season (maybe another two seasons).
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      03-14-2014, 10:12 PM   #38
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wait it's e36 m3 now? what happened to 2002 tti?
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Yes but that wasn't for the US. I guess he is talking only to european viewers.
can't you tell by the accent? he is euro. also it wasn't just "euro" it was "everywhere BUT the U.S."
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Yes but that wasn't for the US. I guess he is talking only to european viewers.
can't you tell by the accent? he is euro. also it wasn't just "euro" it was "everywhere BUT the U.S."
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It's not a Classic built for a specific reason(e30 m3) and it's not a limited edition future collector(1m) and it's not as cheap to run/use as a E36/E46/E82, but is, NO DOuBT a bad ass BMW in every sense of the term.
Yes. I'd happily drive it daily, and not worry about it being a collector and racking up the miles, but special enough to separate from the more commons models roaming around.
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Good review - the UK guys seem to do well at this.
Yes indeed.

His relaxed style is very refreshing.
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      03-15-2014, 12:49 AM   #43
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no the m2 is e36 m3, der
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