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      12-16-2013, 01:41 PM   #67
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Calm down people. BMW is just broadening their consumer base and it WILL NOT affect your M3 in any way!!

The whole 'de-valuing' the brand makes no sense..

Anyway, the facia looks quite different than normal. That's a large floating screen:

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      12-16-2013, 01:45 PM   #68
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You must be kidding me.
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      12-16-2013, 01:45 PM   #69
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So when you say you have bought a M235 lots of people will say oh yes is that the front wheel drive 5 or 7 seater people carrier!!
Hahahaha

It seems BMW flit between practical (active tourer FWD) and awesome (M235i) and struggle with something in the middle... Except now that middle ground is the confusion in the conversation as to whether you have the good one or the practical one.

An M235i Shooting Brake would have been far more exciting and almost as practical.
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      12-16-2013, 01:48 PM   #70
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This nameplate of the recent BMW lineup just makes no sense.

This is a minivan. Call it an x2.

The only car I was really looking forward to is the m225i and possibly the m2 (if built). But sorry I'm more and more interested in the upcoming S3.

I love BMW cars but it's getting stupid...

Getting into a lower base market makes sense but you don't have to make every car soft along the way...

What's next every car by 2020 in BMW stables will be fwd?!!
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Don't worry guys, nobody will buy this piece of shit. I'm sure it'll cost $40k too, further making it so nobody buys it.

BMW needs to go back to 3/5/7/X/Z and be done with it.
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      12-16-2013, 01:52 PM   #72
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Would prefer this to a B Class, a Touran, Zaferia, C-max, or any other car in the class. But I would also prefer to walk than drive any of those cars too..... and abola virus. That would be better.
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Would prefer this to a B Class, a Touran, Zaferia, C-max, or any other car in the class. But I would also prefer to walk than drive any of those cars too..... and abola virus. That would be better.
I wouldn't go a far as Ebola, maybe walking though.
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      12-16-2013, 01:58 PM   #74
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going by bmw logic right now... shouldnt this be the 1er? i really thought odd numbered cars were for 4 doors, while evens were for coupe (yes, even the gran coupe four door).

are they really hoping to leverage the "new" 2er name to sell these ugly fwd things? its like the mazda 5
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C-max looks better IMO.
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      12-16-2013, 02:08 PM   #76
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C-max looks better IMO.
On the subject of fords I think the new Mercs look quite ford-like.
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I noticed that too. It does seem as you say.
It's seemed that way for a while now. Hence why the mods get so sensitive if someone doesn't fawn over each and offering.

Why are we on boards like this, if not to point out what we think for past, current, and future models ?

It's not to drink the BMW Kool-Aid, at least for me.
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Can't wait to see the M sport package! (joking, but seriously that will be coming next I assume?)
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It seems like you guys get paid by the word to complain about things that will never affect you! Is someone bleeding? Are you dying?

Unless you were strapped to the underbody of this car for bump-stop testing during the development stages, you have no business spending this much energy focusing on nonessential bullshit. You are not going to get a formal apology from BMW for developing this car. I don't think I've ever seen so much entitlement in one space! I get that this is a forum but you guys aren't even offering constructive criticism! If there's even a modicum of a chance that BMW executives read this forum, you guys have managed to waste it. Why don't you wait and see how BMW tries to market this product? Or better yet, why don't you wait till you have a chance to drive it? If you're going to feel this strongly about something, you better be prepared to find out you were wrong.

As for me, I probably wouldn't buy this car, but I'd be happy to see it on the road. This isn't about making the brand more financially accessible like the CLA. This is about appealing to a wider range of buyers with discerning tastes. I, for one, can't wait to see how this car looks in person. This seems like a premium product. BMW is trying to reintroduce the luxury compact...Audi's A3 e-tron sportback is coming, and maybe we'll see the B-class from Mercedes in a couple of years. There's a market for this type of vehicle, I know it.
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It's not that bad...and who cares if its called a 2. And you're the fool if you're cancelling plans.
I was already on the fence, for others reasons that came about when the order finally arrived. But this just cemented. Final nail I guess you could say. On to bigger and better things. I will be the fool enjoying a better car on my track days.
Ok, so tell me what track guy will mistake an m235i or 228i for this mini-van BMW?

It's got to be other reasons you're canceling because this one makes no sense.
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      12-16-2013, 03:07 PM   #81
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What vehicle is the camera car in later shots?
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      12-16-2013, 03:10 PM   #82
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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Just a little.
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      12-16-2013, 03:12 PM   #83
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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Just a little.
Looks like the Porsche SUV to me

Edit - I was answering Chester.
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It seems like you guys get paid by the word to complain about things that will never affect you! Is someone bleeding? Are you dying?

Unless you were strapped to the underbody of this car for bump-stop testing during the development stages, you have no business spending this much energy focusing on nonessential bullshit. You are not going to get a formal apology from BMW for developing this car. I don't think I've ever seen so much entitlement in one space! I get that this is a forum but you guys aren't even offering constructive criticism! If there's even a modicum of a chance that BMW executives read this forum, you guys have managed to waste it. Why don't you wait and see how BMW tries to market this product? Or better yet, why don't you wait till you have a chance to drive it? If you're going to feel this strongly about something, you better be prepared to find out you were wrong.

As for me, I probably wouldn't buy this car, but I'd be happy to see it on the road. This isn't about making the brand more financially accessible like the CLA. This is about appealing to a wider range of buyers with discerning tastes. I, for one, can't wait to see how this car looks in person. This seems like a premium product. BMW is trying to reintroduce the luxury compact...Audi's A3 e-tron sportback is coming, and maybe we'll see the B-class from Mercedes in a couple of years. There's a market for this type of vehicle, I know it.
Exactly!

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There's a market for this type of vehicle, I know it.
There was one for the Pontiac Aztek too...and the PT Cruiser...etc, etc....

Just because a mother has to love all her babies, even the ugly, pointless ones, that doesn't mean everyone has to do the same.
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Ok, so tell me what track guy will mistake an m235i or 228i for this mini-van BMW?

It's got to be other reasons you're canceling because this one makes no sense.
That is what I said in the post you just responded to. There are other reasons, this was just the final nail that did it.
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Its a response to the market and the growth of compact crossovers.
Sales alone have increased 45% and the leader of the segment is the Mercedes-Benz B-Klasse which has surpassed around 100,000 units since introduction in 2011.

It absolutely makes sense for BMW to venture in this segment because there are customers that want more from a typical minivan MPV crossover type vehicle, compact customers are now buying premium Marques and shunning volume Marques. This is where Active Tourer can effectively become a global player.

Is it a BMW? Not all BMWs are high performance , Active Tourer combines performance with efficiency. I recently drove the new MINI , sorry but its the best MINI ever! A perfect combination of dynamics , agility and typical MINI go-kart style sense of fun when you hit the corners.

This car utilises that same architecture and BMW set out to not only make the best RWD cars in the world but also carve a signature for itself in FWD , important for the company especially when its two direct competitors are FWD.
Active Tourer follows the same philosophy as the BMW X5 , purely a concept that is aimed to be driven.

Active Tourer is also the opening salvo in a new niche for BMW.
Plans are being considered in addition to the 2er to offer a larger Active Tourer a combination of Touring , Coupe but much more sleeker for the 4er based upon the LWB 3er which mean it will retain RWD.

Active Tourer will be offered in North America as it was successfully clinic evaluated by potential customers including those that have BMWs and those that own domestic or other import Minivan/crossovers.
Some tested could actually see this as the primary BMW whilst others who own a BMW reckon the Active Tourer could become the secondary BMW.

With the presentation of the concept. BMW allowed a registration programme.
Over 100,000 units people registered their interest. If we can transfer that into sales this could become the next big niche for BMW after the X family.

It will also give BMW further means to progress and develop models for their growing customer base.
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