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      10-08-2013, 11:26 AM   #45
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umm....that's why you guys should have bought an E82!
??? I don't understand. Do you have some reason for thinking the new 2er will be like the E82, which would be great if indeed it turns out to be more similar to the E82 than the F32 is to the E92. About the only thing that needs fixing in the transition from one 1er to 2er is that ridiculous cup holder and the rear shoulder room, although I could live with both not changing if that's what it would take to get the tight and communicative steering that one finds in the E-series cars.

As for buying an E82 instead of the E92, I would have been fine with an E82 instead of my E92, but in the E9x/E8x era, both cars have/had the sort of feel I'm talking about. It's the F cars that are soft, not the E ones.
no I'm saying the E82 is still available for purchase to anyone who wants one. the E90/E92 is not really available any more. I think the F22 is going to be more like the F30. read the post I was responding to.
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the next generation 2er after this one will be fwd taking it from the upcoming 1er.
And if this goes ahead I wonder how many M235i they will sell once it moves to FWD...
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My fear is that BMW is sending a signal by putting a standard LSD on the M235 that there won't be an M2.

Also--think of it this way--there aren't any M335 or M435s...but there WILL be an M3 and an M4....

By giving us some of the ///M goodness in the M235 (lsd, higher BHP than standard 335/435), BMW might be holding off on the "entry level" M car.

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My fear is that BMW is sending a signal by putting a standard LSD on the M235 that there won't be an M2.

Also--think of it this way--there aren't any M335 or M435s...but there WILL be an M3 and an M4....

By giving us some of the ///M goodness in the M235 (lsd, higher BHP than standard 335/435), BMW might be holding off on the "entry level" M car.

We shall see...
Are you sure the LSD will be standard, that would be great? There was an M135 although it was a hatch model.
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??? I don't understand. Do you have some reason for thinking the new 2er will be like the E82, which would be great if indeed it turns out to be more similar to the E82 than the F32 is to the E92. About the only thing that needs fixing in the transition from one 1er to 2er is that ridiculous cup holder and the rear shoulder room, although I could live with both not changing if that's what it would take to get the tight and communicative steering that one finds in the E-series cars.

As for buying an E82 instead of the E92, I would have been fine with an E82 instead of my E92, but in the E9x/E8x era, both cars have/had the sort of feel I'm talking about. It's the F cars that are soft, not the E ones.
I had 2 E92s and am on my second E82. I like the 135's cupholder. at least it works...those ones that came out above the glove box on my E92 were sufficient to hold a 12 oz can of coke, and not much else. At least in my experience.

I am more interested in the "tweaking" that the N55 will get for the M235i. I have stated on the forum many times that the N54 in my first E82 felt vastly superior to the N55 that I have in the current one, and I am hoping that it is cured or made better with the M235.

The N55 just seems to run out of breath more easily than my N54 did...although none of them could touch the total body experience that came from my dad's 07 Z4MC...but that's another conversation.
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Are you sure the LSD will be standard, that would be great? There was an M135 although it was a hatch model.
I thought it was--wasn't that in the thread where they said it would be faster around the Ring than the 1M?

Maybe I am wrong...but that's what I had thought I had seen...
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Are you sure the LSD will be standard, that would be great? There was an M135 although it was a hatch model.
I thought it was--wasn't that in the thread where they said it would be faster around the Ring than the 1M?

Maybe I am wrong...but that's what I had thought I had seen...
I don't think it will be standard. Thread said the BMW guy signed off the LSD as a performance package for the M235i.

Whether it will be a factory, port option, or BMW performance part it is unknown.
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I don't think it will be standard. Thread said the BMW guy signed off the LSD as a performance package for the M235i.

Whether it will be a factory, port option, or BMW performance part it is unknown.
If the LSD is not standard, I think that is a positive point for those of us who want an M2.

Thanks for correcting me.
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If the LSD is not standard, I think that is a positive point for those of us who want an M2.

Thanks for correcting me.
Some I think will get a M235i until the M2 arrives. I feel it is years away, 2016 model at earliest.
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firstly, the F20/F22 is not a 'brand new' car; it's a reworking of the existing E8X platform, still derived from the old chassis (derived from the E9X). Most of the tangible 'differences' it has are primarily technological..
not to doubt you since i don't have any independant sources but my impression from what i've read is that the f30 and f20 platforms are based on the new "modular architecture" and not based on previous platforms. am i mistaken?
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My fear is that BMW is sending a signal by putting a standard LSD on the M235 that there won't be an M2.

Also--think of it this way--there aren't any M335 or M435s...but there WILL be an M3 and an M4....

By giving us some of the ///M goodness in the M235 (lsd, higher BHP than standard 335/435), BMW might be holding off on the "entry level" M car.

We shall see...
I share the same worry. However, I think BMW has been planning a M435i: http://www.carscoops.com/2013/05/spi...lex-their.html
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My fear is that BMW is sending a signal by putting a standard LSD on the M235 that there won't be an M2.

Also--think of it this way--there aren't any M335 or M435s...but there WILL be an M3 and an M4....

By giving us some of the ///M goodness in the M235 (lsd, higher BHP than standard 335/435), BMW might be holding off on the "entry level" M car.

We shall see...
I share the same worry. However, I think BMW has been planning a M435i: http://www.carscoops.com/2013/05/spi...lex-their.html
Last thing scott26 said on this was he had heard ideas of a detuned tri turbo diesel for the F3x models...

I'd say we simply don't know yet if one will appear, it certainly hasn't been confirmed nor denied. Same with the M2, except the desire was stated by M to create one.
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I had 2 E92s and am on my second E82. I like the 135's cupholder. at least it works...those ones that came out above the glove box on my E92 were sufficient to hold a 12 oz can of coke, and not much else. At least in my experience.

I am more interested in the "tweaking" that the N55 will get for the M235i. I have stated on the forum many times that the N54 in my first E82 felt vastly superior to the N55 that I have in the current one, and I am hoping that it is cured or made better with the M235.

The N55 just seems to run out of breath more easily than my N54 did...although none of them could touch the total body experience that came from my dad's 07 Z4MC...but that's another conversation.
This may be a dumb question, but liking the N54 better, why do you keep switching? My car has the N54 and I'm happy with the car, so I'm keeping it until I stop being happy with it. Doesn't the 135is use the N54, or perhaps the 335is?
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not to doubt you since i don't have any independant sources but my impression from what i've read is that the f30 and f20 platforms are based on the new "modular architecture" and not based on previous platforms. am i mistaken?
as far as i've been told by someone "in the loop", the F20 was evolved out of the pre-existing E8X architecture, as there simply wasn't enough financial motive for an 'all new platform'. The F20 designation has changed, however the underpinnings are still based off the old E90/E92 platform. The 1-series has never been as 'profitable' to produce as the 3-series, primarily because it uses similar costs and technology but BMW charge less for the car. I think in many ways them keeping the 'old' platform is a way to cut costs on the current evolution of it.

additionally, i have also read this in an article, however i can't seem to find the article.
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This may be a dumb question, but liking the N54 better, why do you keep switching? My car has the N54 and I'm happy with the car, so I'm keeping it until I stop being happy with it. Doesn't the 135is use the N54, or perhaps the 335is?
the 2011 and before (i believe) 335is used the N54, however the 135is uses the N55 with the PPK2 kit installed by BMW.
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as far as i've been told by someone "in the loop", the F20 was evolved out of the pre-existing E8X architecture, as there simply wasn't enough financial motive for an 'all new platform'. The F20 designation has changed, however the underpinnings are still based off the old E90/E92 platform...
i guess that i'm just a little confused about the platform issue in general. so is the f3x built on a new chassis or is it also evolved from the e9x? if it is "new", is the new chassis part of the new modular architecture, essentially akin to VW's MQB, that i thought was emerging? if it is new and based on the modular architecture then would not the f2x logically also be?
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Last thing scott26 said on this was he had heard ideas of a detuned tri turbo diesel for the F3x models...

I'd say we simply don't know yet if one will appear, it certainly hasn't been confirmed nor denied. Same with the M2, except the desire was stated by M to create one.
Perhaps if enough people purchase the M235, they will have the justification they need for an M2...plus they had the overwhelming positive experience of the 1M, both from a sales and review perspective.

I remain hopeful for an M2...but when they go out of their way to say the M235 is "faster" around the ring, it just hints at something else, at least to me
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This may be a dumb question, but liking the N54 better, why do you keep switching? My car has the N54 and I'm happy with the car, so I'm keeping it until I stop being happy with it. Doesn't the 135is use the N54, or perhaps the 335is?
I have commitment issues. I like to lease my vehicles because I am a mechanical "special person", and there were enough "problems" with the early N54-equipped cars (albeit, not necessarily tied to the engine itself) that I would be a little leery of one from a long term viewpoint.

I think you're correct that the 135is uses the N54--but that would be my 3rd E82, and I want something that looks different at this point. Love the E92 (335is), but I had two of those in the early days and they are just too big for me...

I am obviously high-maintenance.
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I have commitment issues. I like to lease my vehicles because I am a mechanical "special person", and there were enough "problems" with the early N54-equipped cars (albeit, not necessarily tied to the engine itself) that I would be a little leery of one from a long term viewpoint.

I think you're correct that the 135is uses the N54--but that would be my 3rd E82, and I want something that looks different at this point. Love the E92 (335is), but I had two of those in the early days and they are just too big for me...

I am obviously high-maintenance.
I guess I'd have to agree with you. LOL

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When you look very close at the pictures of the back from the 2 series on page 1, you can see between the lights and the trunk lid there is a similar rearlights-style from the actual 1 series coupe hide under some fake plastic trunk lid.
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