[Channer]

What a stupid thread. Seems like he is either trying to be a troll or can't afford this car (likely both), so posting that article gives him the perception that he can afford it but should not get it. In any case, its a big respost and no one cares if you get it or not.

[Chunner]

Originally Posted by bernstem

+1 I happen to agree with you 100%.

I'm still curious what BMW Chunner would buy over a 235 right now that he thinks will be a better driver's car. It is, after all, rather subjective.

Bernstem, to answer your question. If I were in the market for an BMW, I would either buy a cpo 1M (if I can find one - they only made 740) or a new 2013 135is (again, if I can find one - they only made 586 coupes) over the current m235i.

Don't get me wrong, the m235i looks fantastic. I love the front end and its air curtain making bumper. However, i'm not a big fan of the rear end but looks are always subjective. I honestly like the 135i's frumpy squished in and out of proportion looks much more over the m235i's.

I have driven a m235i, my SA gave it to me for a weekend and I did not find it more engaging/fun then my 135is. As I remembered, the power output was almost identical 320hp/330tq. Albiet, my 135is is currently running at 373hp/408tq.

I did not find the automatic paddles fun. I like the 135i's dual clutch transmission paddles way much more. DCT shifts are instant, under any load, up 1 down one, two or even three. I also felt the m235i's electronic steering was not as communicative as my 1er. I also enjoy the raspy, snappy grumble of my 135is standard BMW PE exhaust more over that of the m235i's exhaust.

What I did really like was the interior build quality. The interior just felt more luxurious and the standard PSS tires.

In the end, as cars evolve and since the 2er is the replacement for the 1er. I simply did not think the m235i was a better "driver's car" then what it was intended to replace. That is my opinion.

I will wait for the M2.

Cheers!

[bernstem]

Fair enough response, but neither of those two cars are current production... I am also very curious to see what the M2 looks like. Until then, a 235 will work quite nicely for me.

[DanG]

Let's get real here. The M235i has much better road manners than any 1 series. And, it will be a much better daily driver than an M2. The M2 will only be better at the track.

Nachob had a 1M and got rid of it because it wasn't fun as a daily driver.

The M235i puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. I don't see a better daily driver coupe in BMWs current offerings.

[killerhurtalot]

Originally Posted by DanG

Let's get real here. The M235i has much better road manners than any 1 series. And, it will be a much better daily driver than an M2. The M2 will only be better at the track.

Nachob had a 1M and got rid of it because it wasn't fun as a daily driver.

The M235i puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. I don't see a better daily driver coupe in BMWs current offerings.

by better road manners you mean less feeling in the steering right... that's about the only difference i can feel from driving one other than the better suspension if you got the active suspension option...

[ManCityFan]

Originally Posted by killerhurtalot

by better road manners you mean less feeling in the steering right... that's about the only difference i can feel from driving one other than the better suspension if you got the active suspension option...

Lolz...another bitter 1er? Enjoy that sweet sweet understeer.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by DanG

Let's get real here. The M235i has much better road manners than any 1 series. And, it will be a much better daily driver than an M2. The M2 will only be better at the track.

Nachob had a 1M and got rid of it because it wasn't fun as a daily driver.

The M235i puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. I don't see a better daily driver coupe in BMWs current offerings.

LOL...No. I loved the 1M , but I was singing praises to how well balanced the M235i is and how good a package it is but I loved the 1M. I put 18s because the roads here are terrible but it was a great car. I sold it for financial reasons thinking I could buy another one later or the M2 would be a possibility. So I'm waiting for the M2. The M235i is a better daily driver and has some things better like throttle response, leg room and better interior BUT if I could buy a brand new 1M now, I would take it over anything else on the market. The problem is that the 1Ms are pretty expensive and almost no warranty left. Many were modified, tracked, crashed.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by killerhurtalot

by better road manners you mean less feeling in the steering right... that's about the only difference i can feel from driving one other than the better suspension if you got the active suspension option...

All M235i come with standard M adaptive sports suspension.

[killerhurtalot]

Originally Posted by DanG

All M235i come with standard M adaptive sports suspension.

Ah OK. guess that's why it's more expensive than the 135is... the adaptive suspension and the sport packages was optional on those...

[killerhurtalot]

Originally Posted by ManCityFan

Lolz...another bitter 1er? Enjoy that sweet sweet understeer.

Not really. I bought my 135i like a month ago after test driving the M235i... Felt worse overall for a drivers car... (but I do like the new wheels and look though)

the M235i still has understeering issues... just not as severe as the 1 series because of the suspension/frame/standard tire set-up... The 1 series with the adaptive suspension helps a lot... not much understeering issues at all on the 135i once you put real tires on them lol. or even put a square set-up since people will probably change the wheels anyways...

Besides, why would I be bitter when I can just buy a brand new 135i/is and mod the hell out of it for the same price as a M235i lol. I didn't see the value in spending a extra 6-8k for the M235i when the 135i can accomplish the same thing with better steering feedback... (hell... i can throw in a M3 LSD for like 4k... that's probably the most important thing missing on these cars...)

And like I said. I like being able to feel the wheels touch the ground lol.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Channer

What a stupid thread. Seems like he is either trying to be a troll or can't afford this car (likely both), so posting that article gives him the perception that he can afford it but should not get it. In any case, its a big respost and no one cares if you get it or not.

huh? the 135is was a more expensive car than the M235i when optioned/equipped the same. Not sure why you'd accuse people of not being able to afford one.....lol

[SmallTownBoy]

This thread has more trolls than a bass tournament.

[indiefan24]

Originally Posted by SmallTownBoy

This thread has more trolls than a bass tournament.

I enjoyed reading the convo in the other forum about this thread lol

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...=976127&page=2

[jeremicium]

Originally Posted by indiefan24

I enjoyed reading the convo in the other forum about this thread lol

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...=976127&page=2

I just followed your link and read that thread. Kind of pathetic. lots of patting each other on the back. I say to all of those guys talking about how much more rewarding the 135 is, if we're going to compare no longer in production cars come take my S2000 for a spin. It'll make your 135 feel like a bloated, disconnected pig.

Can't we all just get along. The 135 felt more connected, more enjoyable than my 335, I just couldn't get past the cramped, crappy interior. The M235 is receiving stellar reviews...clearly both good cars.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by ManCityFan

Lolz...another bitter 1er? Enjoy that sweet sweet understeer.

I always laugh when people comment on the 1-series or any BMW for that matter in terms of the car's tendency to understeer. These are 50/50 balanced RWD cars. Unless you drive at the limit [on a track], I can't see how anyone can complain these cars understeer on public roads. How often are you taking sweepers at 90+ mph or come upon a hard braking zone that requires you to trailbrake into the turn in order to get better rotation?

If you're (not you specifically but referring to anyone) not a track rat and claim these cars undeersteer, then you're the biggest poser ever. I'd love to see someone upload a video of them driving on public roads and show how their 135i/m235i/335i/1M understeered into a corner because chances are you're driving like an a$$clown then.

/rant

[dharo1]

I have just decided: I will remove the side M badges on my incoming alpine white 235i.
I will post pictures as soon as available. And as soon as I can get a hold of the back M235i without the M, I ll do the same for the back.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by jeremicium

I just followed your link and read that thread. Kind of pathetic. lots of patting each other on the back. I say to all of those guys talking about how much more rewarding the 135 is, if we're going to compare no longer in production cars come take my S2000 for a spin. It'll make your 135 feel like a bloated, disconnected pig.

Can't we all just get along. The 135 felt more connected, more enjoyable than my 135, I just couldn't get past the cramped, crappy interior. The M235 is receiving stellar reviews...clearly both good cars.

S2K... that's not even fair!!! LOL

S2K's tossability and short/precise throws of manual

[killerhurtalot]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

huh? the 135is was a more expensive car than the M235i when optioned/equipped the same. Not sure why you'd accuse people of not being able to afford one.....lol

not anymore. they're heavily discounted like 5-8k off of MSRP right now...

But then again, people would rather buy a older car and mod it than a new car...

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by 3002 tii

I always laugh when people comment on the 1-series or any BMW for that matter in terms of the car's tendency to understeer. These are 50/50 balanced RWD cars. Unless you drive at the limit [on a track], I can't see how anyone can complain these cars understeer on public roads. How often are taking sweepers at 90+ mph or come upon a hard braking zone that requires you to trailbrake into the turn in order to get better rotation?

If you're (not you specifically but referring to anyone) not a track rat and claim these cars undeersteer, then you're the biggest poser ever. I'd love to see someone upload a video of them driving on public roads and show how their 135i/m235i/335i/1M understeered into a corner because chances are you're driving like an a$$clown then.

/rant

50/50 weight balance on its own doesn't ensure a lack of understeer. Throw on goofy sway bars, staggered tires, wonky front control arms and you get understeer.

The BRZ understeers while the FRS is more balanced, all from suspension differences.

Having owned a 135i and a much more neutral M Coupe, it was apparent in any spirited driving that the 1er was much "safer" with lots of natural understeer and one wheel drive.

[NYHoustonman]

Originally Posted by 3002 tii

I always laugh when people comment on the 1-series or any BMW for that matter in terms of the car's tendency to understeer. These are 50/50 balanced RWD cars. Unless you drive at the limit [on a track], I can't see how anyone can complain these cars understeer on public roads. How often are taking sweepers at 90+ mph or come upon a hard braking zone that requires you to trailbrake into the turn in order to get better rotation?

If you're (not you specifically but referring to anyone) not a track rat and claim these cars undeersteer, then you're the biggest poser ever. I'd love to see someone upload a video of them driving on public roads and show how their 135i/m235i/335i/1M understeered into a corner because chances are you're driving like an a$$clown then.

/rant

Agreed.

Most any car can be made to understeer if you don't drive it properly, even BMW's M cars. Granted, there are different degrees - luckily, we have the aftermarket to sort some of that out . If you want a car that flat out does not understeer, you want a car that doesn't have its engine in the front. More specifically, get a Porsche! Now, if only I had the $$$...

As for the rest of this thread, all of this bitterness going back and forth between 1-series and 2-series owners is really becoming ridiculous. We're all BMW enthusiasts! Why the hell are we fighting again? Save that for the Audi drivers...

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by NYHoustonman

Agreed.

Most any car can be made to understeer if you don't drive it properly, even BMW's M cars. Granted, there are different degrees - luckily, we have the aftermarket to sort some of that out . If you want a car that flat out does not understeer, you want a car that doesn't have its engine in the front. More specifically, get a Porsche! Now, if only I had the $$$...

As for the rest of this thread, all of this bitterness going back and forth between 1-series and 2-series owners is really becoming ridiculous. We're all BMW enthusiasts! Why the hell are we fighting again? Save that for the Audi drivers...

You mean Audi vs VW owners!

[128]

Wow what a pointless thread. But it made me realize that us 128i owners and M235i owners have something in common. Some members of the 135 crowd think their cars compensate for more than ours do!

I love my NA 128i. When the lease is up, I'm going to love my new M235i!