M235i, 16 badges say it's an M car. We (Road & Track) say it's not.

Chunner · 04-22-2014, 09:44 PM

10 things you must know about the BMW M235i. 16 badges say it's an M car. We (Road & Track) say it's not.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...2014-bmw-m235i

The M235i is not an M car

The badge says "M," yes, but the M235i is a replacement for the 135i, not the 1 Series M Coupe. Though it’s fast as all get-out (0–60 in 4.5 seconds in our testing), grips like the dickens (thanks to Michelin Pilot Super Sports), and stops like an M car (five feet shorter from 80 mph than a competition-package M5, for example), it’s not involving enough to wear an M badge. Much less 16 of them.

Yup, 16. One on each wheel, one on each brake caliper, one on each doorsill, one on each front fender, one on the steering wheel, one on the trunklid, one in the instrument cluster display, and—perhaps the most egregious of all—one on the plastic engine cover.

Interesting read. I'll pass on the M235i. I'll wait for the M2.

dharo1 · 04-22-2014, 09:50 PM

Thank you for pointing out. But most are well aware that this is not a full blown M.
The article has been out for a couple of months.

Chunner · 04-22-2014, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dharo1

Thank you for pointing out. But most are well aware that this is not a full blown M.
The article has been out for a couple of months.

You are very welcome but nobody posted it. I think....

Greenkirby21 · 04-22-2014, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chunner

You are very welcome but nobody posted it. I think....

someone did.. when the article first came out : )

plus whats the big deal?

My dads 135i M sport probably had just as many. Its a problem of BMW, not the M235i.

Chunner · 04-22-2014, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenkirby21

someone did.. when the article first came out : )

plus whats the big deal?

My dads 135i M sport probably had just as many. Its a problem of BMW, not the M235i.

your Dad's 135i M Sport actually had 8 maybe 6. None were on the exterior rear deck lid or front fenders. A no no as per the M forum guys.... just sayin.

JS919 · 04-22-2014, 10:01 PM

ScottMZ3 · 04-22-2014, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chunner

your Dad's 135i M Sport actually had 8 maybe 6. None were on the exterior rear deck lid or front fenders. A no no as per the M forum guys.... just sayin.

And you have ///M Motorsport stripes over you avatar picture yet you drive a non-M 135is. Shall we all get on your case too? I think not. This topic has been beat to death.

dharo1 · 04-22-2014, 11:08 PM

jeremicium · 04-22-2014, 11:13 PM

Children please...kind of pathetic display of mine is better than yours. Both are fine cars, that should be the end of it.

Aust350z · 04-23-2014, 12:34 AM

I like a 1M owner to tell me if there are fewer ///M badges on the real deal... lol

Dafttt · 04-23-2014, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian///M

Neither the M135 or the M235 are supposed to be ///M cars ...BMW never stated this. They really just replacing the 'M-Sport' brand and tricking buyers into thinking they have something closer to an ///M car.

Put the M235i against a E92 M3 over 15 laps and I can bet which one will have brake fade and throw engine fault codes.

Yup. They're there for ///Marketing. People see a reasonably priced BMW with M badges, and buy accordingly.

Props to BMW for figuring out how stupid people really are.

pikcachu · 04-23-2014, 01:10 AM

sigh... it's an M perf vehicle not an M car...
You would think people would have gotten it already.... like the M550d etc

you have regular BMW - M perf - M cars.... get it?

And there is going to be more of them so start getting use to it....

ManCityFan · 04-23-2014, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chunner

I'll pass on the M235i. I'll wait for the M2.

can't speak for anyone else, but i am devastated by this news.

JustChris · 04-23-2014, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottMZ3

And you have ///M Motorsport stripes over you avatar picture yet you drive a non-M 135is. Shall we all get on your case too? I think not. This topic has been beat to death.

BOOM!!!!

creepy coupe · 04-23-2014, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chunner

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I'll pass on the M235i. I'll wait for the M2

I'm pleased to hear this news. As an M235i owner. I'd hate to be associated.

pimp4cheddar · 04-23-2014, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottMZ3

And you have ///M Motorsport stripes over you avatar picture yet you drive a non-M 135is. Shall we all get on your case too? I think not. This topic has been beat to death.

Lucky13 · 04-23-2014, 08:35 AM

Why is this concept so hard to understand for some idiots. Audi has S and RS, Cadillac has V and V Sport and on and on. Someone needs to go to college and take a marketing class or get a job with a consumer goods company and get their head out of their ass. Mercedes has AMG and Black series so every fricken brand with any smart people are doing it. Hell even Subaru with WRX and WRX STI. It's no more confusing than any other brand that has their shit together.

dmboone25 · 04-23-2014, 08:37 AM

No one said it was?

darkerosxx · 04-23-2014, 08:45 AM

Am I gonna be the first person to actually comment on the article and Road and Track's writing? I have but one thing to say... it is obvious from their review and statements that they have never driven an e36 or e46 M3, made very clear by numerous statements that just sound straight ridiculous when talking about the performance and sound of the M235i.

Good job, guys. You just made yourselves look like dumb, uninformed trolls.

Mark's M · 04-23-2014, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottMZ3

And you have ///M Motorsport stripes over you avatar picture yet you drive a non-M 135is. Shall we all get on your case too? I think not. This topic has been beat to death.

Well that seems to have shut him up. Nicely done!

BEM-S4 · 04-23-2014, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucky13

Why is this concept so hard to understand for some idiots. Audi has S and RS, Cadillac has V and V Sport and on and on. Someone needs to go to college and take a marketing class or get a job with a consumer goods company and get their head out of their ass. Mercedes has AMG and Black series so every fricken brand with any smart people are doing it. Hell even Subaru with WRX and WRX STI. It's no more confusing than any other brand that has their shit together.

I do think Audi is the least confusing, especially since they dropped the multiple engine options for the A. Aside from the S-Line trim, it's all pretty cut and dry.

bernstem · 04-23-2014, 09:25 AM

Damn it, now I need to cancel my order. I would hate to have anyone think I was driving a poseur M car, even if it the best driving currently available BMW.

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