[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Sales people no longer need to know what they are talking about. That's why there are now at least one BMW Genius in each store. Bad move by BMW. So now I no longer need a salesperson. I now only deal with a manager directly, because the SA is pointless IMO.

yep, only reason i work with a SA is i have known him for 10 years, nice guy but when it comes down to numbers, i walk into the sales managers office and we get a deal done. Not trying to sound like a douche, but i have yet to encounter a SA that is more knowledgeable than myself, often times received misinformation.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

yep, only reason i work with a SA is i have known him for 10 years, nice guy but when it comes down to numbers, i walk into the sales managers office and we get a deal done. Not trying to sound like a douche, but i have yet to encounter a SA that is more knowledgeable than myself, often times received misinformation.

All business no bullshit I agree whole heartedly.

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by ellincali

Even with my 228 I'm only getting 26 MPG on average, mostly highway driving but almost always in sport mode.

It's so fun, though...I just don't care.

Wow...that big a difference in sport? I never get less than 34 mpg on the highway in my 228i but I keep in in comfort unless I need to merge or pass.

[morphomeman]

Just back from a 600 mile round trip in my almost new M235ix. Average mpg a bit under 31 at an average speed of 65 mph with the cruise control set to 74 most of the time (9 mph over speed limit) in ECO. This is a bit better than my '02 325i 5-speed has always done. Not bad for a car with almost twice the HP!
FYI: in ECO, if you floor the pedal to pass, the setting will temporarily switch out of ECO and then revert when you ease back, so there is no drawback at all to using ECO all the time on a long highway drive. I have accelerated past 100 mph in this way without realizing it.

[shark715]

Originally Posted by morphomeman

Just back from a 600 mile round trip in my almost new M235ix. Average mpg a bit under 31 at an average speed of 65 mph with the cruise control set to 74 most of the time (9 mph over speed limit) in ECO. This is a bit better than my '02 325i 5-speed has always done. Not bad for a car with almost twice the HP!
FYI: in ECO, if you floor the pedal to pass, the setting will temporarily switch out of ECO and then revert when you ease back, so there is no drawback at all to using ECO all the time on a long highway drive. I have accelerated past 100 mph in this way without realizing it.

Well there is one drawback. When you floor it you can watch your fuel gauge slowly move to the left :-)

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by RDKing2

The gas mileage is my wife's biggest disappointment with the 235. The sales guy was saying persons were averaging 32-35. She averages 25 while the E46 M3 was 24 when it was her daily driver. Drives in comfort as she said there was no difference from eco. Average 65 miles per day 95% highway. Some traffic one way. She likes the car other than that.

That's not too bad overall, but I too would have expected a bit more mpg, at least another 2-3mpg.
My 2013 335i with sport AT gets between 25-27mpg in "comfort" trans modes with about 60% highway and 40% in city conditions, with the occasional and required power bursts.
I can NOT stand ECO mode.

I do run my tire pressures at the highway/sustained high speed PSI, which is around 39psi front and 41psi rear IIRC, so that helps.
If conditions allow maybe try upping your tire pressures since she drives a lot of highway miles.

Interestingly, I get closer to 25mpg in the winter and 27mpg in warmer climate, and tire pressure plays a role there too as I tend to run lower pressures in winter to get a bit more grip in the frosty conditions.
And there is also more "crawling" highway driving in bad conditions around here too. I don't warm my BMW in winter, but it's in richer A/F mixture due to a longer engine warm up period where it will use a bit more fuel.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Rocketretro

The fuel savings that you are getting from using ECO Pro are not worth the pain and tedium that you are putting yourselves through. The ECO system really only benefits in laboratory controlled conditions and we didn't buy M135/235i's to be part of a fuel economy experiment. If you want to improve your mpg it's all about a smooth driving style, braking and anticipation, but then we don't have mountains and high altitude here, so who am I to say .....

And I agree.

[M_Proper]

So far- average is just over 20mpg with a JB4 stage 2 in city traffic. Always drive in sport mode and always give it hell. That said I couldn't give a rats ass about MPG and would like to know just who in the hell purchased this car because of its fuel sipping nature?

[ellincali]

Originally Posted by sstarrx3

Wow...that big a difference in sport? I never get less than 34 mpg on the highway in my 228i but I keep in in comfort unless I need to merge or pass.

Really--34?! What the heck?! I'm not a speed demon and I don't floor it off the line. Can I blame the additives in California gasoline?

I'll run it in comfort mode on the next tank and see what happens. That's a tremendous difference.

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by ellincali

Really--34?! What the heck?! I'm not a speed demon and I don't floor it off the line. Can I blame the additives in California gasoline?

I'll run it in comfort mode on the next tank and see what happens. That's a tremendous difference.

What I have found is sport more does not make that big a difference putting around town but on the highway cruzing it must make a huge difference One caviat is I do have the base with 17 inch wheels, can't imagine it makes that much a difference though.

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by M_Proper

So far- average is just over 20mpg with a JB4 stage 2 in city traffic. Always drive in sport mode and always give it hell. That said I couldn't give a rats ass about MPG and would like to know just who in the hell purchased this car because of its fuel sipping nature?

The efficiency of the 2 series is a big plus. I could have easily bought an E93 M3 for the same amount of money but with the amount I drive that ends up being another ~$1000 a year just in fuel costs (maintenance and insurance aren't trivial either).

I loved the fact that my F30 could do 0-60 in under 5 seconds and then still get 33mpg on highway trips.

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by ellincali

Really--34?! What the heck?! I'm not a speed demon and I don't floor it off the line. Can I blame the additives in California gasoline?

I'll run it in comfort mode on the next tank and see what happens. That's a tremendous difference.

I don't really know what extra additives are in CA gas. I do know we only have 93 octane gas here and you guys use 91. The gas here has those cleaning additives too, but CA may have some extra stuff.

[J-Sud]

I have 90-100% city and average 15-17mpg

That said - in comfort, hwy i average 28-32 @ around 70+mph

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by M_Proper

So far- average is just over 20mpg with a JB4 stage 2 in city traffic. Always drive in sport mode and always give it hell. That said I couldn't give a rats ass about MPG and would like to know just who in the hell purchased this car because of its fuel sipping nature?

I know I didn't!
One the 3 series forum it amazes me how many will get the 3.0 turbo engine only to then post that they drive 90% of the time in "eco pro" mode.
Whaaaaaa?!

I did not buy my 335i Msport for fuel economy, but I am very happy to say that I am greatly impressed with the MPG I do get given all the power this engine puts out.

I'm hoping to get about the same MPG from the M235i.

[shark715]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I know I didn't!
One the 3 series forum it amazes me how many will get the 3.0 turbo engine only to then post that they drive 90% of the time in "eco pro" mode.

It's for the 10% of the time that we are playing Rodney Race Car Driver. The other 90% of the time we need to save every dime on fuel that we can because we really can't afford the monthly payments :-)

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by shark715

It's for the 10% of the time that we are playing Rodney Race Car Driver. The other 90% of the time we need to save every dime on fuel that we can because we really can't afford the monthly payments :-)

Or the speeding tickets when you realize you're accidentally doing 110 because you wanted to pass someone going "Slow".

[AFineMan]

Well my MPG is starting to creep up, I track my MPG using this https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/688230.html

I know it is an older site (been using if for 8 years, tough to break old habits).

Any ways I hit 29 MPH on my last tank, 50/50 highway and back roads, 100 % Eco Pro (curious to see if it makes a difference) normal driving and half this tank was with the top down

I'll do another tank doing the same as above then do a couple of tanks in default (comfort). I know we don't buy these for their MPG (I sure didn't) but the tinkerer in me is curious.

Happy Driving ALL

AFM

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by shark715

It's for the 10% of the time that we are playing Rodney Race Car Driver. The other 90% of the time we need to save every dime on fuel that we can because we really can't afford the monthly payments :-)

LOL.

I can't stand ECO mode. It castrates the cars performance to a frustrating level. In eco mode it feels like the turbo is going out.

Eco pro isn't helping me get better MPG, it's just a frustrating mess.
Once on the highway all eco does is limit AC compressor run times and HVAC system, along with requiring bigger throttle input for accel if you want to pass. It uses a much lower response throttle along with very quick up shift at lower rpm. All this can be done by the driver but it's packaged and programmed to remove the drivers input in order to maintain its slow settings. Great for those who need it, but not for me. I hate having vehicle responses dulled, especially when I need them. I bought a BMW sport sedan not a 4cyl. Camry.
It's not a magic program.

I wish I could get an M235i without all those driver "modes". Program the AT to give me the full 8 gears, as it's supposed to, and then just "sport" and "sport+" is all I need.
Or, allow us to select the individual parameter settings and store them as a single button recall, or better yet set them to default, that would ideal.
Never needed these programs in my E46 or 135i and we all go along just fine.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by AFineMan

Well my MPG is starting to creep up, I track my MPG using this https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/688230.html

I know it is an older site (been using if for 8 years, tough to break old habits).

Any ways I hit 29 MPH on my last tank, 50/50 highway and back roads, 100 % Eco Pro (curious to see if it makes a difference) normal driving and half this tank was with the top down

I'll do another tank doing the same as above then do a couple of tanks in default (comfort). I know we don't buy these for their MPG (I sure didn't) but the tinkerer in me is curious.

Happy Driving ALL

AFM

I understand. Experimenting with the tech gimmicks is fun.
But at the end of that it's MUCH more fun to have the car perform at it's best for best performance.
Select proper tire pressures and maintain them, and use the throttle in a more controlled manner and you'll have all the performance at your call when you want it along with great MPG. I don't use eco and still get between 25-27mpg avg.
"Hyper mile-ing" was all the rage a few years back. Never interested me.

[OpenAir]

Comfort mode I pull 26+ during the week, 70% hwy. This week I used ECO and I pulled 32 for the same commute. Something is working there.

I don't need the turbo or to shift at 4500 to drive on the hwy during traffic. I like having the ECO save my 93 Octane for the back roads where I don't care about mileage!

[huma]

Originally Posted by ellincali

Even with my 228 I'm only getting 26 MPG on average, mostly highway driving but almost always in sport mode.

It's so fun, though...I just don't care.

Similar to mines, except I'm about 70% city and 30% highway on comfort for my 26 mpg. Pure highway, I get about 35-36 mpg.

I was expecting 28 mpg, oh well. It's better than the vehicle I borrowed while I was waiting for my car to come in @ 18-19 mpg (ugh).

[mcom]

OK, FYI, looking for the mileage was because I wanted a royal flush, not just a straight flush.... The car is a blast, top up or down. I bought the car with cash, and could have afforded more car, but this car not only spoke to me but seem to hit the sweet spot between performance, comfort, and economy. Two of the 3 legs are awesome, and if one was going to disappoint, I'm glad its the mileage.