[redontheline]

Originally Posted by B_Rice

I think it's a pretty cool feature to have even though it won't let you feel like a hero when you do a perfect heel toe into a corner. I wish it had it's own dedicated button instead of being tied to a drive mode though. I usually drive in sports + and like doing my own rev matching on the streets, but I want full concentration on not wrecking when I'm at the track.

Agree with this. I would only want it with a dedicated button and honestly think the logic to turn off only in S+ is backwards in many conversations. I haven't been to the track yet, but if I were to go, I'd want to concentrate more on lines and braking points than rev matching and heel-toeing right away.

[XutvJet]

I could see the benefit of the system around town. Doing smoother lower rpm rev match downshifts in an M235 at slower speeds take a bit on concentration, regardless if you're using the Sport/Sport+ throttle or the linear rate throttle. During harder driving, the car is terribly easy to rev match downshift. I've never had issues grabbing 3rd from a 60mph+ roll and executing a clean and hard downshift. On the track, I'd want the rev match system off.

[raleedy]

Originally Posted by pz619

It blips the throttle on downshifts.

Maybe depends on the car. It certainly has never done that on mine (F10 528i).

[BentZero]

Originally Posted by raleedy

Maybe depends on the car. It certainly has never done that on mine (F10 528i).

Correct. It does it on the M2 and M240i.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by raleedy

No. Downshifts drive RPMs, not the other way round.

Automated manuals, like DSG, do rev match on downshifts.
The ZF 8AT also rev matches on downshifts, even though it's a torque converter automatic.

I too love MT's, but some of you sound like grumpy old men who can't handle any change, while believing that operating a manual as manually as can be somehow makes you more a "pursist" of better driver.
Perhaps MT tech should go backwards to the days before synchros when you had to double clutch just to make a basic shift.

MT's were created out of necessity to shift gears not because it was somehow inherently better. I personally find driving MT's to be more fun, but I also know the limitations that MT's have over modern AT's.
So few buyers get MT's that the manufacturers don't even bother to improve or innovate that trans type.
In a world where 8spd AT's are becoming common, a 6spd MT seems unnecessarily archaic.

I'd like to see modern advancements in the manual trans with more gears, smoother shifts, buttery yet distinct gates, smooth and even travel clutch pedals, precise with short travel shifters, etc., and yes the auto "rev match" is a fantastic addition to the MT.
Auto rev-matching makes for a more efficient and smoother method of driving a manual.
And, NO, adding rev-matching is nothing like moving towards an automatic.
How an AT works and how a driver engages with an AT is NOTHING like how a driver engages with a manual trans, even with rev-matching.

Too bad auto makers have given up on the MT, but then, when you have a public who chides and derides a cool innovation like "auto rev-matching" with an MT, it's not that hard to see why the auto industry may just go ahead and put the old archaic manual to rest.
Once they've seen the big city, you won't be able to keep them on the farm.

[BentZero]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Automated manuals, like DSG, do rev match on downshifts.
The ZF 8AT also rev matches on downshifts, even though it's a torque converter automatic.

I too love MT's, but some of you sound like grumpy old men who can't handle any change, while believing that operating a manual as manually as can be somehow makes you more a "pursist" of better driver.
Perhaps MT tech should go backwards to the days before synchros when you had to double clutch just to make a basic shift.

MT's were created out of necessity to shift gears not because it was somehow inherently better. I personally find driving MT's to be more fun, but I also know the limitations that MT's have over modern AT's.
So few buyers get MT's that the manufacturers don't even bother to improve or innovate that trans type.
In a world where 8spd AT's are becoming common, a 6spd MT seems unnecessarily archaic.

I'd like to see modern advancements in the manual trans with more gears, smoother shifts, buttery yet distinct gates, smooth and even travel clutch pedals, precise with short travel shifters, etc., and yes the auto "rev match" is a fantastic addition to the MT.
Auto rev-matching makes for a more efficient and smoother method of driving a manual.
And, NO, adding rev-matching is nothing like moving towards an automatic.
How an AT works and how a driver engages with an AT is NOTHING like how a driver engages with a manual trans, even with rev-matching.

Too bad auto makers have given up on the MT, but then, when you have a public who chides and derides a cool innovation like "auto rev-matching" with an MT, it's not that hard to see why the auto industry may just go ahead and put the old archaic manual to rest.
Once they've seen the big city, you won't be able to keep them on the farm.

Never considered myself to be a purist. I don't even know what that would mean. My stance is that a manual is just more fun. Part of the fun is rev matching myself. I too would like to see more enhancements, but ones that add to the experience and rev matching does not do that for me.

I also understand the limitations. I often wonder if I could get better acceleration with an AT. However, in life there are tradeoffs. I'm willing to make those tradeoffs in order to drive a MT.

[Dylan86]

Status change.


" '15 M235i, 6MT w/Manual Rev match option "

lol

[wjones14]

If BMW is going to offer a feature like rev matching, which is somewhat controversial for the purists, why not just have an on/off switch like the <cough> Camaro </cough>?

Personally, I like the idea of the rev matching. I rarely if ever heel-and-toe downshifts on public streets, since there's plenty of time to blip the throttle after braking. Of course heel-and-toe is mandatory on the track. But, I'm not going to miss it terribly if the car is doing it (and doing it perfectly 100% of the time). There are so many other things going on during a track session that it's still going to be plenty fun and challenging. I mean guys with automatics still enjoy track days, don't they?

[raleedy]

More gears, especially taller ones, in the manual box is a good idea, with one qualification: going beyond six presents a real ergonomic challenge. Adding a fore-aft plane or two for additional gears increases the chance of a mis-shift. An electronic, speed-related lockout could avoid costly engine damage.

[F1HAMMY]

Just took delivery of my 17 230, Manual Trans. I wish I could turn it off....

[BentZero]

Originally Posted by F1HAMMY

Just took delivery of my 17 230, Manual Trans. I wish I could turn it off....

BMW seems to believe that only those that know how to drive with traction control completely turned off are able to properly rev match.

[roadster675]

It's my understanding that rev matching will only be turned off when DSC is turned off, just to add a bit of excitement. I started driving at the end of the non-syncro "crash box" era, so double clutching/heel & toe was a requirement, and I still prefer.

[MrBucket]

I've got it in my 2017 M2 and honestly I wasn't sure that I would like it at all before I took delivery of the car. After driving it around for a few hundred miles it just works so perfectly that I've come to accept it and like it. It allows you to really concentrate more on your line and braking point than having to dedicate some brain power to doing the heel-toe dance I normally would do. It just feels so nice to always have PERFECT downshifts every time. Then you can turn it off if you really want to, but you really shouldn't be turning off all your traction control on normal roads either as its not all that hard to get into trouble if you aren't experienced with a high horsepower RWD car with gobs of torque.

[Lucky13]

I read that the new Porsche 718 has the same issue and the auto journalists are blasting it for this reason.

[Cavpilot2k]

BMW really needs to have all these options (active sound, rev-matching, etc) user selectable (or de-selectable).

We should also be able to select the default startup driving mode.

Are you listening BMW? Give your users the option, because some of us don't want these "features".

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

BMW really needs to have all these options (active sound, rev-matching, etc) user selectable (or de-selectable).

We should also be able to select the default startup driving mode.

Are you listening BMW? Give your users the option, because some of us don't want these "features".

BMW was one of the companies that signed on to the suit wrt to the DMCA that asserted that they wanted to block access to computer systems/controls that operate the vehicle

https://jalopnik.com/carmakers-want-...eca-1699132210

But this fight is going to come up again in a couple years

http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbr.../#3213414c38ae

BMW and others dont want you and I or anyone that isnt a BMW dealership meddling with the car

IMHO this is part of the reasoning behind including "free" service for first couple years.....its not free....cost is built into price of the car and it helps support the dealer network which owners have largely avoided in favor of doing it themselves or having the work done by a trusted independent shop

[Lucky1]

Has anyone come up with a way to code this out yet? Bloody ridiculous to not have a choice for it off/on in every driving mode. At least the 370Z offered that?