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However... isn't this another reason why we rev-match when changing gear? I don't see extra wear on the synchro if so. The recommended way of skipping (keep the clutch depressed, shift into and out of each intermediate gear) seems odd: it sounds like a long-winded way of letting the revs drop (matching the new, high ratio) and might even add wear on the synchros. I was also taught that keeping the clutch down too long was a bad thing because it wears the thrust bearing. I shall continue to skip ratios (whilst rev matching). In urban areas I often use 2nd/3rd to get briskly to my desired/possible speed then shift straight into 5th/6th to cruise with the traffic. If you're constrained to 30/40/50 mph, it really doesn't take very long to get there and extra gear changes don't gain anything; then 6th cuts noise and consumption (I know some members will disagree with me on that one). YMMV (possibly literally). |
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"The potential of software functions to optimize the response of the car can be shown with the following example: After a gear shift with a manual transmission the boost pressure is normally low. In order to realize a high torque as soon as possible after the gear shift it is necessary to increase the boost pressure quickly. The decrease in boost pressure however is caused by the driver, who has not torque demand during a gear shift. So a software function has been developed which is not closing the throttle valve during a short gear shift but decreases the torque of the engine by shifting the ignition time. So the mass flow through the turbine is still high even if the driver is changing the gear. This leads to a much better torque right after the gear shift, because the turbines are only loosing a small part of their energy." |
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06-22-2016, 02:15 PM | #50 | |
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Yes, autos are more popular in Europe, but I hadn't read where they'd overtaken manuals in sales in cars on which both are offered. The latter is an important distinction -- it weeds out cars on which a manual is impractical from a use-ability standpoint such as hybrids and SUVs, which skews the numbers. The two examples given are given on purpose because they are both recent 'new' classes on which manual transmissions are almost never offered, in any market.
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06-22-2016, 04:05 PM | #51 |
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Another driver in the trend to automatics is emissions management. Less driver intervention in the automatic means it is easier to program engine management.
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I have not driven a manual in some time and don't have any particularly fond memories of it. That said, I have had many poorly performing automatics in my life and this is not one of those by any stretch. I love the way the car drives and couldn't say that if the transmission weren't sublime in its execution. Never have I thought it should have shifted at a significantly different point than it had.
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06-22-2016, 08:23 PM | #55 |
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Took a drive today on the evening empty roads....RWD + 6 speed is a joy....in Sport+ it's so nice and easy to throw the back end .....just fun to drive
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Viper. The best legal race car on the planet. And the Gen V is actually very nice on the inside with Ferrari seats and leather. It holds more track records than any other production car on the planet, beating the LaFerrari, the 918, the P1, the Veyron, etc! The shifting in the Viper is buttery smooth...WAY better than on a BMW. I genuinely have no idea why people think BMW shifters are great. They seem to always be notchy from engaging 1rst gear and from 1rst to 2nd gear.
Thus, it is going to be discontinued at the end of 2017. Actually, they are stopping production be cause of new side airbag requirements. The current car would need a whole new frame to be compliant. Very sad times |
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06-22-2016, 10:48 PM | #57 |
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I love the relatively short gearing in our cars (mine cruises at around 2,800 RPM at 80 MPH). Lots of power in 6th, yet still achieves decent MPG. My 435i can get 32 + MPG on the highway at 70 MPH. In my experience and in real world driving (my real world driving), I get about 2 MPG less than a 328i auto and only 1 MPG less than a 528i auto. I'm guessing I would probably get exactly the same MPG in a 435i auto, even though mine is rated at around 2 MPG less by the EPA.
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Salomondrin says it best in this vid I think when he's comparing his pagani for viper trade. |
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Really, that's nice and all, but comparing a Viper with a Pagani is like comparing an AC Cobra with a Ferrari Enzo. Great for him. But the manual slows down the Viper. It'll be the last of a dying breed.
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I test drove the m235i in auto and manual and chose the manual. Like everyone here said, it's definitely not faster but it's just more fun to me, which is the whole point of buying a car like the m235i. I like shifting and being in total control. Traffic doesn't bother me either.
If my car isn't about having fun, then I'm sure as hell going to save some money and just buy me a cheap economical car that gets me from point A to point B. If BMW ever drops manual, I don't have a problem looking at other brands... the Focus RS looks like a real contender even though I'm not a huge fan of hatchbacks. |
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I unfortunately drive an automatic & kick myself every single day for not getting a manual!! My next car will definately be a manual M2 or M240i. Its true that manuals are dying as auto companies have stopped investing in this technology. Its still great to see cars like Porsche Caymay GT4, Subaru STI, Mustang GT350, Ford Focus RS, Cadillac ATSV, Corvette Stingray & a bunch of BMW's which still come with great manuals. No dual clutch or PDK can match the involvement & analog feel that a manual offers. I'l stick with BMW as long as they manufacture manuals.
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Unless you are the fastest driver on the planet, who cares about another 0.2 seconds. It's the engagement and the experience that matter. It's like virtual, simulated s*x. I'm sure it is faster than the real thing but it sucks, not pun intended. |
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You're really asking this question?
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... as for the other sentence: Who in their right mind wants ultrafast sex?
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Obviously, I get that the DCT is faster than any human being. But I think you're completely missing the point here, especially when it comes to the purity of the Viper driving experience. 99% of drivers that drive a Viper (but really, most cars) will never be able to reach it's limits, thus, the DCT is irrelevant. That said, even if it did improve times by 0.2 seconds, WHO CARES!!! The thrill is gone. Your example of vinyl records is way off. Vinyl sound reproduction is inaccurate, thus the uniqueness. Manuals aren't inaccurate. The appropriate comparison is playing an acoustic piano or guitar vs. playing music on an ipad keyboard. Keep your ipad keyboard and virtual reality s*x machine. I'll stick with the real thing. |
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