Front license plate location

pz619 · 05-22-2017, 05:27 PM

3 miles per gallon is unbelievable. By that I mean I literally don't believe it.

For what it's worth, I did go ahead and google it and couldn't find any remotely credible scientific data that shows a 3 mpg loss. I'm willing to accept there is some loss but I'm thinking more along the lines of .03 mpg. Most of the data available was merely people suggesting significant loss but without anything substantial to back it up. Maybe I didn't google deep enough but I didn't see anything worth repeating.

overcoil · 05-22-2017, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pz619

3 miles per gallon is unbelievable. By that I mean I literally don't believe it.

For what it's worth, I did go ahead and google it and couldn't find any remotely credible scientific data that shows a 3 mpg loss. I'm willing to accept there is some loss but I'm thinking more along the lines of .03 mpg. Most of the data available was merely people suggesting significant loss but without anything substantial to back it up. Maybe I didn't google deep enough but I didn't see anything worth repeating.

Do you think a plate can knock 3-mph off of top speed ?

xantdieselx · 05-22-2017, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by harma24

Why are you concerned about 2 screw holes in the front bumper? They will be covered by the front plate for the entire time you own your vehicle; you will never see them. As 31 states and 3 provinces require a front plate (for new plates), the majority of anyone you may sell your car to will be required to have a front plate as well. Personally, I don't like the asymmetric look of the tow hook, and going without a plate hardly seems worth the risk of getting a ticket (or attracting the attention of the cops in general).

Removing a tow hook mounted license plate cost 0$.

Having front bumper holes repaired and cover repainted will cost between $500-$600.

Drilling holes to mount a license bracket causes damage to your car. I couldn't care less about my license plate bracket being off center. It's better than rolling around with two holes drilled through it.

Maynard · 05-22-2017, 06:21 PM

I was wondering the same thing - is that a real estimate, or fantasy. Its a good argument that I'll happily use if I'm ever pulled over.

But I'm kind of a data geek, so I do wonder...Big unknown right now is what adding the plate does to the car's cd. I found this:
" In fact, reducing the Cd of a car by just 0.01 can result in a 0.2 miles per gallon (.09 kilometers per liter) increase in fuel economy " here http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-e...odynamics2.htm

And if anybody wants to try some Fortran (makes me feel like I'm back in High School, with IBM cards...) there is this: http://www.users.csbsju.edu/~jcrumle...cy_writeup.pdf

This makes me skeptical - per this, a 3mpg would be a Cd change of 0.15 (unless these need to be squared or something), and that seems like a huge change in Cd for just a plate (unless it is that roof-rack mounting option).

But we are in the Trump Era, and so I'm gonna tell 'em it costs 3mpg and skip all that messy math stuff.

pz619 · 05-22-2017, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottSinger

Do you think a plate can knock 3-mph off of top speed ?

Perhaps if it was mounted on the roof?

3.0L · 05-22-2017, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xantdieselx

Removing a tow hook mounted license plate cost 0$.

Having front bumper holes repaired and cover repainted will cost between $500-$600.

Drilling holes to mount a license bracket causes damage to your car. I couldn't care less about my license plate bracket being off center. It's better than rolling around with two holes drilled through it.

I've been advocating double-sided foam tape for years.

DF · 05-23-2017, 10:07 AM

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TheCaptain · 05-23-2017, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 3.0L

My front license plate is located on a shelf in my garage.

I keep mine in the trunk. This way, if I get pulled over, I can prove that the second plate isn't being used on some other car, and it makes the argument stronger in trying to negotiate a ticket down to a warning.

McPurrs · 05-23-2017, 12:45 PM

I can't believe the amount of people that actually googled this LOL wow

f1canuck · 05-23-2017, 01:40 PM

I'm torn on this subject right now. I'm picking up my m240i hopefully Friday and have asked the dealer to not drill into the bumper. I like the idea of the tow hook mount, but I'm not 100% sure I like the aesthetics of it being mount off to the sides. I don't have parking sensors so maybe I can get away with more mounting positions that will be pleasing to the eye? If mounting using 3M tape, do you mount just the plate or 1st mount the plate to the holder and then tape to the bumper? This is going to be my daily driver and it has to get through nasty Canadian winters.

3.0L · 05-23-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCaptain

I keep mine in the trunk. This way, if I get pulled over, I can prove that the second plate isn't being used on some other car, and it makes the argument stronger in trying to negotiate a ticket down to a warning.

You know, that's a good idea. If pulled over, I could also present the fact that I could not locate any front mounting bracket.

DF · 05-23-2017, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 3.0L

You know, that's a good idea. If pulled over, I could also present the fact that I could not locate any front mounting bracket.

that wont work here. The ticket you will get is improper display of a plate.

3.0L · 05-23-2017, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DF

that wont work here. The ticket you will get is improper display of a plate.

Personal experience?

Meanwhile, I know where "they" can display the plate. Heh!

Elvisfan · 05-23-2017, 10:14 PM

I know everyone has there own opinion. I live in a state where the front plate has to be displayed on the car. Shocker, I display it. Many years ago,I had a BMW. I had to argue with the dealer to install the front place. Not any more. They just do it now. I'm surprised a dealer in a required state doesn't just do it.

B58togo · 05-23-2017, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pz619

3 miles per gallon is unbelievable. By that I mean I literally don't believe it.

For what it's worth, I did go ahead and google it and couldn't find any remotely credible scientific data that shows a 3 mpg loss. I'm willing to accept there is some loss but I'm thinking more along the lines of .03 mpg. Most of the data available was merely people suggesting significant loss but without anything substantial to back it up. Maybe I didn't google deep enough but I didn't see anything worth repeating.

Gotta go deeper man. It's all on the deep web.

Maynard · 05-24-2017, 07:37 AM

Some places you can get away with propping the plate on your dashboard, to avoid meter-maid tickets (crazy to leave it there while driving, and wrap the edges or it will kill your dash). Other places they will still ticket you though.

Part of me kind of wishes they had just bolted mine on w/o asking, so I could hate them and be done w/ it - even though my rational self says it is a no brainer to put the damn plate on, I can't bring myself to drill it, and muck up a great looking front end (even if it isn't that bad of a look). I really pity the Audi guys - on their front end it sticks out like a sore thumb, at least with ours there is some symmetry for a central plate (and they have to drive an Audi).

And if you are going to tape a plate in place, PLEASE use one of those simple backing frame sets. Nothing looks more ghetto-cheap than a naked plate stuck to a bumper, and it won't go a full winter before it is corroding from the edges. Personally I'd use the factory mount, as it isn't that bulky and could probably be adapted to the tape if you want to go that route.

marcthedark · 05-24-2017, 08:29 AM

This one states that it works with parking sensors
https://www.amazon.com/Platypus-Lice...+mount+bmw+f22

f1canuck · 05-24-2017, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by marcthedark

This one states that it works with parking sensors
https://www.amazon.com/Platypus-Lice...+mount+bmw+f22

Looks like you only have 1 option of how to place the plate on that mount. Right?

marcthedark · 05-24-2017, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by f1canuck

Looks like you only have 1 option of how to place the plate on that mount. Right?

That is how it looks to me too

DF · 05-24-2017, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by f1canuck

Looks like you only have 1 option of how to place the plate on that mount. Right?

I tried that one. I couldn't make it work

f1canuck · 05-24-2017, 12:08 PM

Going to try this one:

https://www.rho-plate.com/pages/rho-plate-v2

aozer · 05-24-2017, 01:36 PM

I keep my tow hook plate in the trunk. If I ever get pulled over I'll just tell the cop I forgot to put it back on after a wash and throw it on in a few seconds.

05-22-2017, 05:27 PM	#23
pz619 Brigadier General 3277 Rep 3,255 Posts Drives: F87 M2C 6MT, Tesla 3 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: San Diego iTrader: (1)	3 miles per gallon is unbelievable. By that I mean I literally don't believe it. For what it's worth, I did go ahead and google it and couldn't find any remotely credible scientific data that shows a 3 mpg loss. I'm willing to accept there is some loss but I'm thinking more along the lines of .03 mpg. Most of the data available was merely people suggesting significant loss but without anything substantial to back it up. Maybe I didn't google deep enough but I didn't see anything worth repeating.
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05-22-2017, 06:21 PM	#26
Maynard Colonel 3833 Rep 2,870 Posts Drives: 228iX & M2C Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Upstate NY iTrader: (1)	I was wondering the same thing - is that a real estimate, or fantasy. Its a good argument that I'll happily use if I'm ever pulled over. But I'm kind of a data geek, so I do wonder...Big unknown right now is what adding the plate does to the car's cd. I found this: " In fact, reducing the Cd of a car by just 0.01 can result in a 0.2 miles per gallon (.09 kilometers per liter) increase in fuel economy " here http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-e...odynamics2.htm And if anybody wants to try some Fortran (makes me feel like I'm back in High School, with IBM cards...) there is this: http://www.users.csbsju.edu/~jcrumle...cy_writeup.pdf This makes me skeptical - per this, a 3mpg would be a Cd change of 0.15 (unless these need to be squared or something), and that seems like a huge change in Cd for just a plate (unless it is that roof-rack mounting option). But we are in the Trump Era, and so I'm gonna tell 'em it costs 3mpg and skip all that messy math stuff. Last edited by Maynard; 05-24-2017 at 07:31 AM.. Reason: math
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05-23-2017, 12:45 PM	#31
McPurrs The deuce gets loose 290 Rep 499 Posts Drives: '17 M2 BSM 6MT Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Worcester, MA iTrader: (0)	I can't believe the amount of people that actually googled this LOL wow
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05-23-2017, 01:40 PM	#32
f1canuck New Member 2 Rep 6 Posts Drives: 2017 m240i Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Ottawa iTrader: (0)	I'm torn on this subject right now. I'm picking up my m240i hopefully Friday and have asked the dealer to not drill into the bumper. I like the idea of the tow hook mount, but I'm not 100% sure I like the aesthetics of it being mount off to the sides. I don't have parking sensors so maybe I can get away with more mounting positions that will be pleasing to the eye? If mounting using 3M tape, do you mount just the plate or 1st mount the plate to the holder and then tape to the bumper? This is going to be my daily driver and it has to get through nasty Canadian winters.
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05-23-2017, 10:14 PM	#36
Elvisfan Major 516 Rep 1,452 Posts Drives: 2018 430ix convertible MGM Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Illinois iTrader: (0)	I know everyone has there own opinion. I live in a state where the front plate has to be displayed on the car. Shocker, I display it. Many years ago,I had a BMW. I had to argue with the dealer to install the front place. Not any more. They just do it now. I'm surprised a dealer in a required state doesn't just do it.
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05-24-2017, 07:37 AM	#38
Maynard Colonel 3833 Rep 2,870 Posts Drives: 228iX & M2C Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Upstate NY iTrader: (1)	Some places you can get away with propping the plate on your dashboard, to avoid meter-maid tickets (crazy to leave it there while driving, and wrap the edges or it will kill your dash). Other places they will still ticket you though. Part of me kind of wishes they had just bolted mine on w/o asking, so I could hate them and be done w/ it - even though my rational self says it is a no brainer to put the damn plate on, I can't bring myself to drill it, and muck up a great looking front end (even if it isn't that bad of a look). I really pity the Audi guys - on their front end it sticks out like a sore thumb, at least with ours there is some symmetry for a central plate (and they have to drive an Audi). And if you are going to tape a plate in place, PLEASE use one of those simple backing frame sets. Nothing looks more ghetto-cheap than a naked plate stuck to a bumper, and it won't go a full winter before it is corroding from the edges. Personally I'd use the factory mount, as it isn't that bulky and could probably be adapted to the tape if you want to go that route. Last edited by Maynard; 05-24-2017 at 07:38 AM.. Reason: spelling
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05-24-2017, 08:29 AM	#39
marcthedark Lieutenant 120 Rep 410 Posts Drives: M240i xdrive Convertible Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Phoenix Metro Area iTrader: (0)	This one states that it works with parking sensors https://www.amazon.com/Platypus-Lice...+mount+bmw+f22
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f1canuck New Member 2 Rep 6 Posts Drives: 2017 m240i Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Ottawa iTrader: (0)	Going to try this one: https://www.rho-plate.com/pages/rho-plate-v2
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05-24-2017, 01:36 PM	#44
aozer Lieutenant 995 Rep 598 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	I keep my tow hook plate in the trunk. If I ever get pulled over I'll just tell the cop I forgot to put it back on after a wash and throw it on in a few seconds.
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