[3.0L]

Originally Posted by RotorOver

Here's an experiment those with an AT can try. While driving in Sport mode apply the brake. What happens? The automatic transmission downshifts and RPM increases. Looks like engine braking to me. How is that any different than manually downshifting when slowing (assuming you're not taking RPMs to 5-6k)?

When in the Sport mode, my AT downshifts aggressively when I'm braking hard. And the harder I brake, the more aggressive the downshifting gets. The result is that the engine RPM's are kept high, as if in anticipation of the driver braking hard for a turn, then stomping on the throttle coming out of the turn. The engine is kept in the power band.

So yes, in this example, the engine is adding some braking, along with the brakes themselves. To me, it all seems to fit together quite seamlessly and makes spirited driving enjoyable. The car seems to know what I want, then delivers. Quickly.

[Gabbykat]

Would it still be wise to downshift for a 45 min downhill? I'm thinking of a road trip and remember there are some mountainous regions going from BC to CA.

[BarryJI]

Originally Posted by Gabbby

Would it still be wise to downshift for a 45 min downhill? I'm thinking of a road trip and remember there are some mountainous regions going from BC to CA.

You have eight gears to choose from. Just select one that stops the car from running away without constant use of hard braking but which doesn't over-stress the engine. Personally, I wouldn't want to exceed 4000 RPM for very long. With an 8AT there has to be a "sweet spot" where you can keep both the car and the engine from over-speeding without over-taxing either the revs or the brakes.

[casualDIYer]

No need to drive like it's 1698. Leave it in D and let the car do the work. Or throw it in S and drive it! Or M and do a little gear rowing

[Gabbykat]

So S gear would be the same as m gear....s1 lowest, etc?

[B_Rice]

The amount of misinformation in this thread is mind boggling.

Originally Posted by Gabbby

So S gear would be the same as m gear....s1 lowest, etc?

No, S mode is more a more aggressive shift mode where it tries to keep you in the higher rev ranges (where the powerband is) rather than D where it shifts to a higher gear to save gas.

[Mr Carrots]

Putting it in S makes no difference to shifting if you have the car always in Sport+ though, right? It would be nice to be wrong on that lol

[ianp622]

Originally Posted by B_Rice

The amount of misinformation in this thread is mind boggling.

Yeah, and now someone is probably going to go off a cliff somewhere after heating up their brakes from trying to keep speed going downhill for 45 minutes because he didn't want to "drive it like it's 1698 [???]". There's a reason why they check the temperature of your brakes in mountains.

[BarryJI]

Originally Posted by Mr Carrots

Putting it in S makes no difference to shifting if you have the car always in Sport+ though, right? It would be nice to be wrong on that lol

Two completely different things. The Eco/Comfort/Sport/Sport+ settings affect drivetrain, suspension and steering functions. They do not influence gear settings.

[bryan_G01]

i always downshift when braking, old manual habit.

[TheCaptain]

Originally Posted by BarryJI

Two completely different things. The Eco/Comfort/Sport/Sport+ settings affect drivetrain, suspension and steering functions. They do not influence gear settings.

The Eco/Comfort/Sport settings absolutely do affect gear settings. In fact, driving in sport+ will prevent the transmission from shifting into 8th gear automatically, and other shift points are also affected.

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by TheCaptain

The Eco/Comfort/Sport settings absolutely do affect gear settings. In fact, driving in sport+ will prevent the transmission from shifting into 8th gear automatically, and other shift points are also affected.

also sport+ will hang the current gear at a high rpm were the other modes would auto change into the next gear.

[German1967]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

also sport+ will hang the current gear at a high rpm were the other modes would auto change into the next gear.

Sport will do the same, i.e. there is no difference in throttle response between Sport and Sport+.

[Mr Carrots]

Shift points seem about the same rpm with sport+ compared to sport+ and the shifter in S

Much as I'd like to be able to make my car even more fun to drive with a simple gearstick click, it isnt necessary to do this?

I know that to launch you need sport+, shifter in S and traction disabled.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by German1967

Sport will do the same, i.e. there is no difference in throttle response between Sport and Sport+.

only diff between sport and sport+ is that + includes DTC ON

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by German1967

Sport will do the same, i.e. there is no difference in throttle response between Sport and Sport+.

wrong.

[DF]

I use them. I was just tearing up some tarmac saturday.

[German1967]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

wrong.

The map shows that throttle mapping is the same in sport and sport +...

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by German1967

The map shows that throttle mapping is the same in sport and sport +...

Hold at redline and kick down are different which is exactly what i said.

[German1967]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

Hold at redline and kick down are different which is exactly what i said.

Peace

[mdputnam]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

wrong.

Well, That's a great chart, but I wouldn't use it as gospel. Kudos for the owner doing such extensive testing though.
In my 2016 (as opposed to his 2014) I've found that with the DSC off and in DS sport shift mode the shift RPM, kick-downs, shift-speed, and exhaust burble are as aggressive or more so than in Sport+ mode. One of these days at a club meet we're going to do a side by side comparison. I know Anthony235 thinks I'm crazy, Ok he knows I am... but I can still have a somewhat valid point!!

[bryan_G01]

dsc off does not have same throttle response or burble as loud as in sport or sport +. dsc off is comfort throttle mode.

I have no muffler with a catless DP, very easy to tell the difference in sound.

the m2 burbles louder when you when you hit the dsc button for some reason, not our cars.