[Twix]

The 100th anniversary is technically for the motorcycle/aircraft engine manufacturing. Maybe we'll get a flying motorcycle for 2016!

[B-1Pilot]

Originally Posted by Twix

The 100th anniversary is technically for the motorcycle/aircraft engine manufacturing. Maybe we'll get a flying motorcycle for 2016!

I'd buy it, and fly / ride the shit out of it.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by B-1Pilot

I'd buy it, and fly / ride the shit out of it.

I was considering getting my pilots license to drive this thing.

http://www.aeromobil.com/about

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by synergist

I was considering getting my pilots license to drive this thing.

http://www.aeromobil.com/about

You should

[B///MW]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Well, they are revealing a concept on the 22nd, maybe there might be the M2 Concept as well.

Haven't heard of a reveal.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by synergist

I was considering getting my pilots license to drive this thing.
http://www.aeromobil.com/about

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

You should

Earlier this month the AeroMobil 3.0 prototype crashed during a flight test in Slovakia.
http://www.popsci.com/flying-car-crashes-slovakia
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/ae...g-test-flight/

[Adem1534]

So SCOTT26, how about a little Pebble Beach confirmation, eh?

[Artemis]

Compiling some info:

The final version of the M2 base version will not be presented before the M4 GTS (likely we get to see some M2 teasers in the forthcoming weeks/months):

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

After the new BMW X5M and X6M that will be launched later this year [2014]. The M2 will be the next all-new M car. There will be a hiatus until the next M5 but in between there will be the M4 GTS which could use the Orange colour as a nod to Fire Orange.

The M4 GTS will be presented "as preview concept" on August 16, 2015 at Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance 2015 (California):

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The first example to take the exclusive road will be the all new BMW M4 GTS which will be shown as a preview concept at Pebble Beach in August.
Essentially the M4 GTS will be a production model of the BMW M4 Safety Car which was the M4 GTS "Concept".

Last Autumn Bimmerpost announced that the product version of the M2 base version will be on display from September 17-27, 2015 at Frankfurt Motor Show 2015 (Germany), and thus not earlier. That info is still consistent with the more recent info. Coincidence: BMW CCA Oktoberfest 2015 (Galloway - New Jersey) takes place during the same period (September 21-27, 2015):

Originally Posted by Jason

Our current information (subject to change) indicates a Frankfurt 2015 (September) auto show debut for the M2 Concept, followed by M2 production beginning in November 2015 for the EU/UK and in March 2016 for the US market.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The M2 was there in its final form it was the first time I have seen the car, no Carbon roof , new five spoke wheels and a very aggressive aerodynamic kit which is a more realistic version taken from the GT car which gives the car a very aggressive look. The "fangs" which provide function really add an aggressive look to the car. Its body is more muscular than the standard 2er including the M235i so there is a distance between the two to allow both M2 and M235i to flourish. Wheel arches are broader especially at the rear.
Both M2 and M4 GTS will be launched in late 2015. And both models are considered for further progress.

For 2016, two CSL models (concepts) are scheduled. Let's see whether the M2 CSL is one of these:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

In 2016 BMW M will provide its first look at concepts of two models which will wear the CSL badge as well as more pronounced bodywork, Efficiency technology and lightweight features to illustrate exciting and lucrative possibilities for progressive performance.

But it remains to be seen whether a possible M2 CSL gets to the US because of legislation:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

IF we do a lightweight M2 (emphasis on IF). Then I do not see it being offered in the USA because of the cost to get some items from the above past legislation.
For now there will be an M2.

But there may be hope for an M2 CSL getting to the US, as in the meantime the news was revealed that at least the M4 GTS will be on sale in the US:

Originally Posted by MikeBMWVegas

Just stumbled across the 2016 BMW M4 GTS in BMW's ordering system... as of now showing up as week 9 next year.
It does not show what options nor colors nor pricing at this time.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Compiling some info:

The final version of the M2 base version will not be presented before the M4 GTS (likely we get to see some M2 teasers in the forthcoming weeks/months):

The M4 GTS will be presented "as preview concept" on August 16, 2015 at Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance 2015 (California):

Last Autumn Bimmerpost announced that the product version of the M2 base version will be on display from September 17-27, 2015 at Frankfurt Motor Show 2015 (Germany), and thus not earlier. That info is still consistent with the more recent info. Coincidence: BMW CCA Oktoberfest 2015 (Galloway - New Jersey) takes place during the same period (September 21-27, 2015):


For 2016, two CSL models (concepts) are scheduled. Let's see whether the M2 CSL is one of these:

But it remains to be seen whether a possible M2 CSL gets to the US because of legislation:

But there may be hope for an M2 CSL getting to the US, as in the meantime the news was revealed that at least the M4 GTS will be on sale in the US:

Thanks as always for this summary, Artemis !

So I guess no M2 for 3 and a half months? Darn, that's a longgg time. Hopefully the teasers will be really good!

[filet.M2c]

That just seems odd to me. Has BMW ever wait until less than 2 months before production to reveal a car? What is the marketing thought process for that?

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by synergist

That just seems odd to me. Has BMW ever wait until less than 2 months before production to reveal a car? What is the marketing thought process for that?

They don't want people to hold off on their M4 and M3 orders as the M2 concept may make many, many potential M4 and M3 buyers wait until they can test the M2 as it will be cheaper. We've already seen to non young crowd start ditching for the M3 already right here on the forum due to impatience. That is what BMW wants. That is my thought. The positioning of this car in the BMW lineup is very tricky, and it's obvious that BMW is already doing a bunch of things to put it in a very specific niche, i.e. no S engine, no CF roof, 4 colors, one interior. It will be a very special car, but they are making it 'take it or leave it' for a reason. That's my gut feeling.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The final version of the M2 base version will not be presented before the M4 GTS (likely we get to see some M2 teasers in the forthcoming weeks/months):

I don't read Scott's post the same way as you do.

I read it as he says that the next M after the X5M/6M is the M2 and then it will be some time before a completely new M is released (the M5) but during that time the M4 GTS is revealed.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by synergist

That just seems odd to me. Has BMW ever wait until less than 2 months before production to reveal a car? What is the marketing thought process for that?

Originally Posted by Adem1534

They don't want people to hold off on their M4 and M3 orders as the M2 concept may make many, many potential M4 and M3 buyers wait until they can test the M2 as it will be cheaper. We've already seen to non young crowd start ditching for the M3 already right here on the forum due to impatience. That is what BMW wants. That is my thought. The positioning of this car in the BMW lineup is very tricky, and it's obvious that BMW is already doing a bunch of things to put it in a very specific niche, i.e. no S engine, no CF roof, 4 colors, one interior. It will be a very special car, but they are making it 'take it or leave it' for a reason. That's my gut feeling.

See this "breathing space" post of November 2013 about the M2:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I have seen some early preliminary sketches although not respondent of what the car [M2] will look like but the creativity behind the visual aspects is underway.
Engineering has already commenced.
But I must repeat there will be an M2 but it is not coming tomorrow.
For now [2013] this is the M235i's moment. The gap in both cars between will allow appetites to be whet and new ideas to be conceived and thoroughly evaluated.
The gap will also allow the new M3 and M4 breathing space.

In the meantime (May-September) we will likely be teased ad nauseam.

[Colinv6]

Wouldn't say the non young crowd ditching the M2... I'm only 30 and I'm gone!

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

They don't want people to hold off on their M4 and M3 orders as the M2 concept may make many, many potential M4 and M3 buyers wait until they can test the M2 as it will be cheaper. We've already seen to non young crowd start ditching for the M3 already right here on the forum due to impatience. That is what BMW wants. That is my thought. The positioning of this car in the BMW lineup is very tricky, and it's obvious that BMW is already doing a bunch of things to put it in a very specific niche, i.e. no S engine, no CF roof, 4 colors, one interior. It will be a very special car, but they are making it 'take it or leave it' for a reason. That's my gut feeling.

Well, if their 3er sedan and coupe (now 4 series) didn't get so big and bloated, they wouldn't need a model under it.
But, then again, all cars of all makes and models have gotten bigger due to more electronics, bigger engines, more safety features, bigger wheels and brakes, more amenities.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

Wouldn't say the non young crowd ditching the M2... I'm only 30 and I'm gone!

Same. I check the forum now and then to see new pix because I am curious. But at this point I have pretty much crossed the M2 the list.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

They don't want people to hold off on their M4 and M3 orders as the M2 concept may make many, many potential M4 and M3 buyers wait until they can test the M2 as it will be cheaper. We've already seen to non young crowd start ditching for the M3 already right here on the forum due to impatience. That is what BMW wants. That is my thought. The positioning of this car in the BMW lineup is very tricky, and it's obvious that BMW is already doing a bunch of things to put it in a very specific niche, i.e. no S engine, no CF roof, 4 colors, one interior. It will be a very special car, but they are making it 'take it or leave it' for a reason. That's my gut feeling.

The flaw in that logic is that they would be assuming the buyer is solely looking at BMWs. I really have no interest in the M3/4 due to the size. So instead of BMW losing $15K between the M2 and M3/4, they risk losing the $55K+ if someone like myself jumps the BMW boat and considers a porsche, VW, or the American competition.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by synergist

The flaw in that logic is that they would be assuming the buyer is solely looking at BMWs. I really have no interest in the M3/4 due to the size. So instead of BMW losing $15K between the M2 and M3/4, they risk losing the $55K+ if someone like myself jumps the BMW boat and considers a porsche, VW, or the American competition.

Same situation here. One of the biggest draws for me right now is the ED trip. If I was just getting a normal delivery I'd be looking at the other 2016 options (gt350,rs3, etc..) along with the M2.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by synergist

The flaw in that logic is that they would be assuming the buyer is solely looking at BMWs. I really have no interest in the M3/4 due to the size. So instead of BMW losing $15K between the M2 and M3/4, they risk losing the $55K+ if someone like myself jumps the BMW boat and considers a porsche, VW, or the American competition.

Exactly great point, M2 just needs a decent reveal.

[abp689]

Originally Posted by synergist

The flaw in that logic is that they would be assuming the buyer is solely looking at BMWs. I really have no interest in the M3/4 due to the size. So instead of BMW losing $15K between the M2 and M3/4, they risk losing the $55K+ if someone like myself jumps the BMW boat and considers a porsche, VW, or the American competition.

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Same situation here. One of the biggest draws for me right now is the ED trip. If I was just getting a normal delivery I'd be looking at the other 2016 options (gt350,rs3, etc..) along with the M2.

+2. Also, you got to figure a few are not going to wait for the M2 and go for the 235 rather than the 3/4.

There are a lot of great cars out right now. Back when you had the e30, 46, and 9x, the M's offered solid performance gap. Recent competion is currently narrowing that gap.

[Adem1534]

So we're going with 'no' to pebble beach, right? Guess we're waiting for mid September?

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

So we're going with 'no' to pebble beach, right? Guess we're waiting for mid September?

Sadly that's a certain yes. Maybe a few mm less camo each month