[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by Reedomn

Dang......I didn't know M stood for mediocre .......

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by Reedomn

Dang......I didn't know M stood for mediocre .......

Your words, not mine.

The point I was trying to make is that it will be the entry ///M car so while, "athletic," it will never get the bespoke engine or some of the move advanced tech from its bigger siblings.

[Reedomn]

Originally Posted by Bemo

Your words, not mine.

The point I was trying to make is that it will be the entry ///M car so while, "athletic," it will never get the bespoke engine or some of the move advanced tech from its bigger siblings.

I know...just messin a little....but I will say that IMO the "entry ///M" has always been the best M !!...ie: e30M, e36M, e46M, 1M....etc

[thecurryman]

Originally Posted by Bemo

Your words, not mine.

The point I was trying to make is that it will be the entry ///M car so while, "athletic," it will never get the bespoke engine or some of the move advanced tech from its bigger siblings.

Isn't this same mentality seen if you compare m3/4 vs m5? Doesn't the m5 have better technology and a better engine etc? although it is less nimble?

[cwg]

Originally Posted by Reedomn

Dang......I didn't know M stood for mediocre .......

I was beginning to think it stood for Marketing - but in this case -mediocre may be more acurate

[RingMeister01]

I would say its definitely locked in and for legal reasons. I have no idea what the process is to get road legal but any changes will result in the manufacturer having to reapply the legal approvals and that red tape can take forever.

[Reedomn]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

First song I'm playing in the M2 !!....Great video....

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by Mark's M

As the title suggests, anyone know how far along the M2 really is (aside from the obvious in the proto and earlier mule pics)? Curious for feedback from anyone with engineering experience or insight into the process. Is the car now locked in in terms of design, specs, options, etc? Specific example...we've not seen a CF roof yet either by design (they'll spring it on us) or omission (because it's too late to engineer this feature in, or too costly to engineer in).

Any thoughts??

To answer the original question, yes. Specs are locked in. What's not locked in is the tuning of the hardware such as shock absorbers, steering calibration, powertrain calibration, and other things that don't require hardware changes.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by Mark's M

Agree completely. Don't want it, don't order it. Bemo, you probably meant to say ".05 seconds slower" or thereabouts. You'd need the weight of another car on the roof of an M to slow it down by 5 seconds lol.

And c'mon Reedomn How many grams or ounces would "Blindspot Assist" add to the car? Let's be realistic please, it's not like BMW is hiding a pair of Panavision cameras somewhere under the metal or in the mirrors to achieve what BA does.

And this is why it won't have a CF roof. Or an S55.

[esp42089]

I don't care about blindspot assist. I won't pay extra for it, but if it is standard it won't bother me. If BMW ever, and I mean EVER puts something equivalent to Volvo CityStop in their cars, I will have to move to a different brand altogether for my automotive needs. It is unconscionable to take control, and ultimately responsibility, away from drivers in that manner.

CF roof would be cool, but if having a steel (or aluminum) roof means the car is 5k cheaper, I'll happily take that. I'm more concerned that they breath some M-ness into the N55 and make it feel special. I don't care if it makes 350 or 800hp, it has to make you want to rev out. If the power falls off much before redline, that's going to be a serious disappointment and push me into an used M car from yesteryear instead.

[JRMorgan]

Originally Posted by Mark's M

Agree completely. Don't want it, don't order it. Bemo, you probably meant to say ".05 seconds slower" or thereabouts. You'd need the weight of another car on the roof of an M to slow it down by 5 seconds lol.

And c'mon Reedomn How many grams or ounces would "Blindspot Assist" add to the car? Let's be realistic please, it's not like BMW is hiding a pair of Panavision cameras somewhere under the metal or in the mirrors to achieve what BA does.

That and the HUD should be an option. I love driving but day to day driving can use some of these features. Not taking my eyes off the road to see Navigation or radio station or even speed is useful. This is especially true in real world situations of 30-40MPH speed limits and having that number in your face to avoid speeding tickets. Also while my mirrors are set correctly we all sometimes - every once in a blue moon - have that brain fart that causes you to miss seeing something close to your car. I personally don't care for lane departure warning or any signal coming through the steering wheel though. I haven't used blind spot assist before and I hope it makes no noise and just lights up something on the mirror itself. If there is a sound I hope it can be disabled. I need only visual indication.

[Propanelgen]

According to my mate at BMW M, it will have an updated N55 at 370 hp and 500 nm of torque.
Also a choice of the 6-speed MT and the 8-speed auto.

[vantagesc]

No DCT??

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by vantagesc

No DCT??

Wait hold up, this is not right. Scott said DCT would be offered...

However not offering DCT would make sense to keep distance between the two cars... I wish we could get some official confirmation. These rumors springing up all over the place are driving me crazy.

[W///]

Originally Posted by vantagesc

No DCT??

I wouldn't listen to all this white noise. There are plenty of more reliable sources that said DCT would be available.

[Das Johnson]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Wait hold up, this is not right. Scott said DCT would be offered...

However not offering DCT would make sense to keep distance between the two cars... I wish we could get some official confirmation. These rumors springing up all over the place are driving me crazy.

DCT is what makes a true M a true M, IMO. I don't think that the M2 is a limited production or anything different from what M would usually produce, so it makes more sense that it would have DCT rather than some chunky slow 8 speed.

[Reedomn]

Originally Posted by Das Johnson

DCT is what makes a true M a true M, IMO. I don't think that the M2 is a limited production or anything different from what M would usually produce, so it makes more sense that it would have DCT rather than some chunky slow 8 speed.

A true M has DCT?....not sure I agree with that!? But I would bet it will have DCT and of course a proper 6 speed.....

[Propanelgen]

Originally Posted by Das Johnson

DCT is what makes a true M a true M, IMO. I don't think that the M2 is a limited production or anything different from what M would usually produce, so it makes more sense that it would have DCT rather than some chunky slow 8 speed.

No, a proper Manual is what makes a true M a true M.

[mmmmm235i]

Originally Posted by DVC

I am still holding out hope for a CF roof. I think it would be a mistake for BMW to skip this... it would signify both a concerted effort to "down-market" the M2 from the M3/4, and a total fail on taking weight savings seriously - which should be, more so than on any other they've built in recent history, a focal point on the M2.
This would make me seriously question the performance standards to which they designed this car overall.

Agreed. The CF roof and an M car go together like peanut butter and jelly. I would never get an M car without a CF roof. I think this is a must to make it a "true" m car and to seperate it more from the 235. This is something they can easily do that will maintain the power gap, but preserve the M CF roof history. I agree that this would be a huge drop of the ball on a car that I was very much looking forward to.
OH and I'm sure the M2 will have DCT option. I don't know why everyone is expecting such a stripped down car. With the M4s selling into the 80k + range, there is plenty of room between 43 and 80k to make a great car without encroaching on the M3/4 territory. Look at the 1M, sure it was smaller and less powerful, but probably the most fun and engaging BMWs in recent memory.

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by mmmmm235i

Agreed. The CF roof and an M car go together like peanut butter and jelly. I would never get an M car without a CF roof. I think this is a must to make it a "true" m car and to seperate it more from the 235. This is something they can easily do that will maintain the power gap, but preserve the M CF roof history. I agree that this would be a huge drop of the ball on a car that I was very much looking forward to.

I was hoping for a CF roof, too. Not the end of the world if we don't get one but if you'll talk what goes with an M and what doesn't, I think that pattern's been broken lately. I prefer a bespoke engine, screw the CF roof. Instead we'll get a metal roof, a tuned N55 and a heavy chassis, and a bunch of us will buy/lease the car because we are chumps.

[Das Johnson]

Originally Posted by Reedomn

A true M has DCT?....not sure I agree with that!? But I would bet it will have DCT and of course a proper 6 speed.....

Well I mean a true M has DCT offered.

[W///]

Originally Posted by mmmmm235i

Agreed. The CF roof and an M car go together like peanut butter and jelly. I would never get an M car without a CF roof. I think this is a must to make it a "true" m car and to seperate it more from the 235. This is something they can easily do that will maintain the power gap, but preserve the M CF roof history. I agree that this would be a huge drop of the ball on a car that I was very much looking forward to.
OH and I'm sure the M2 will have DCT option. I don't know why everyone is expecting such a stripped down car. With the M4s selling into the 80k + range, there is plenty of room between 43 and 80k to make a great car without encroaching on the M3/4 territory. Look at the 1M, sure it was smaller and less powerful, but probably the most fun and engaging BMWs in recent memory.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that, and this is coming from someone that owns an M car with CF roof. When I was looking for my E92, having a CF roof was an absolute must for me. But to be honest, it's completely for the looks. It's really not that much lighter than a regular sunroof delete car, so don't buy into all this marketing.

My point is this: Am I bummed that the M2 won't get CF roof? Absolutely. I hate sunroofs, so no matter what I do, my M2 won't come with it. Does that make it or break it for this car that it won't have a CF roof? Absolutely not. CF roofs are not what make M cars M cars.

Same with my E36 M3. Gets so much flak for not having a real S engine, but I'll tell you what, that is an absolute hoot to drive. As long as the M2 can make me smile like my current cars do, then it's absolutely a true M.