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02-15-2013, 10:52 AM | #45 | |
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I think the M2 will have a 335-350hp N55 engine, kind of like the 1M versus 135i. |
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02-15-2013, 11:28 AM | #46 | |
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I have a real issue with moves like this , the regionalization of these "global" products. BMW: People will pay you money for being able to build the car they want. Figure it out, before someone else does. |
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Well, M2 with 4 cylinder might be stupid in your book, but not in the BMW M engineers' book: BMW 325i E30: 2.5l I6 BMW M3 E30: 2.3l I4 BMW 540i E34: 4.0l V8 BMW M5 E34: 3.6l I6 Well, again if you prefer ///Marketing over ///Masterpiece Engineering, you are freely entitled to your wrong opinion. Quote:
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that example is often used but it's never mentioned that the displacement difference is <10%. if the m2 gets a 4cyl., i wonder if it will have in excess of 2.0ltr., say 2.2-2.4ltr.?
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The I4 is to be a 2.2l I4, not based on N20. |
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well, 2.2l could get the job done:at 150hp/ltr.>>>330hp and about the same torque figure with curb weight of approximately 3100lbs. a nice proposition indeed and would be an interesting contrast to the m235; can't wait for that debate!!. by the way, you appear certain about that 2.2l! are you sure of it's existence/development and that it's headed for the m2?
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I'll start by some data (but I can't guarantee 100 % accuracy):
S54: 217 kg S65: 202 kg S85: 240 kg N64: 228 kg N54: 195 kg N52: 161 kg N20: 138 kg Now we are in a FI era. Engine capacity is no more that important. From an engineers/performance perspective an engine making same power/torque but being lighter is a better choice. As the 3.0 I6 vs. 3.3l V6 debate for the M3, the same debate appears for the M2, between a 3.0l I6 vs. 2.2l I4. A 3.3l I6 is unlikely to come, it would cost too much. I personally don't believe in the "420 PS" figure of the up-coming M3, unless it is a slightly different version of the engine found in the new Alpina B3. M2 is expected to get +360 PS. |
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