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      05-08-2013, 04:11 PM   #23
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looks good
so glad they got rid of the hideous front lights of the new 1 series
$10 says they will change the headlights to match these in the next 1 series facelift
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      05-08-2013, 04:26 PM   #24
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Wow last night I was going to make a post about this but I thought I was over analyzing and gone cucu
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Mmm looks OK. I'd prefer a front end similar to the F30's or a facelift e46 coupe
Nothing says cool quite like a car that hasn't been made in seven years.
So I guess cool only applies to the newest BMWs huh?
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Looks good so far! Can't wait for the full unveiling
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Well I think it's safe to say the M3/M4 will be highly tunable. I think there's a chance that the M2 may end up with something closer to the A45 motor that doesn't have as much opportunity for additional boost though. I just hope there's a sizable weight advantage of the M2 over the M235i and E82 135i, if they accomplish that, I'd drive it with an S14.
Agreed. As long as its around 3000lbs then the tunability of the engine wouldnt really be an issue.
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      05-08-2013, 04:56 PM   #28
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So I guess cool only applies to the newest BMWs huh?
No, I still miss my M Coupe, but I don't really want to see them build one that looks just like it again. Change is good, even if it's kinda ugly.
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      05-08-2013, 05:12 PM   #29
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Well I think it's safe to say the M3/M4 will be highly tunable. I think there's a chance that the M2 may end up with something closer to the A45 motor that doesn't have as much opportunity for additional boost though. I just hope there's a sizable weight advantage of the M2 over the M235i and E82 135i, if they accomplish that, I'd drive it with an S14.
I don't think it's safe to say the next M3 will be highly tunable. It will be a 3-liter (maybe 3.2l) inline 6 engine with around 420 hp, which are quite high power levels for the displacement already and about the max that can be obtained today with tuning from these direct injected, high compression ratio engines on regular fuel. You can't add much more power than this with 91 octane fuel (and keep the high compression ratio and thus strong low-end torque), from my experience (unless they employ some 3rd electrical turbo to compensate on the low-end lost to a lower compression ratio).

As for the M235i, I expect the same power levels as today's F20 M135i, which is around 320hp from an N55 engine. This can be upped with tuning to around 370hp on pump gas.
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      05-08-2013, 05:45 PM   #30
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I really hope it isnt a 320hp i4 engine which I highly think it will be. I would love to get an m2 but will it be better than a 1M? I understand they can achieve similar power levels at the stock level and possibly shave a few hundred pounds off the 1m's curb weight, but will it be better? will it be more tunable? Will tuned m235i's smoke the m2? an m235i with m2 suspension may be the true winner.

I plan on buying an individual m4 when they come out, but I'm not going to lie, I am constantly being attracted backwards to an late year e92 m3.
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I don't really like that render. Perhaps because it reminds me of the new 3er.

It gives the impression of a smashed duck's mouth. I hope this isn't accurate.
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Riiiiight..maybe if you keep telling yourself that, even you'll believe it.
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quick question for those 1 series owners that installed wavetrac or Quaife LSD, how did the car handle on normal roads and how did it handle on mountain roads? i'm not planning to track M235i if i end up buying it but i drive on canyon roads a lot, i want to know if an aftermarket LSD is gonna make any difference
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why every brand is making these small cars look like idiots? If render is close to what's in the works, I do not see many serious buyers considering BMW 2

p.s. Not that I follow this much but I feel VW is of few whose small cars look desirable.
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      05-08-2013, 10:39 PM   #35
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Looks like a beautiful car. The reason we will not see a straight 135i is what I call the Obama tax. The new fuel economy rules are extreme and penalize powerful cars with small footprings. You can read that as sports cars, even though the M235i has a back seat of sorts. For manufacturers the alternatives are to either not make these vehicles or to make them very high end in smaller quantities with more profit for unit.

This looks like hot stuff and is on my next car candidates list although that is still a bit off in the future given that my 135i is only a year old.
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      05-08-2013, 11:41 PM   #36
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This is pretty much the opposite of my experience and just about every thing I've read. The interior quality of the F30 is much improved over the E9x and E8x.
Interesting. After driving an F30 for a few days last week, I had the exact opposite feeling. I thought the interior was pretty bad.
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This is pretty much the opposite of my experience and just about every thing I've read. The interior quality of the F30 is much improved over the E9x and E8x.
Interesting. After driving an F30 for a few days last week, I had the exact opposite feeling. I thought the interior was pretty bad.
IMHO I think they're each down to personal preference. The E90 feels chunkier and functional and minimal, buttons on first glance seem sorted, then you realise the professional radio isn't that easy to use, well for DAB any way. The F30 feels fussier but looks like more effort has gone into it's appearance and more thought to looks of it, but them controls don't feel as easy to use excepting the radio. The trim is also not as simple and aesthetic and the E 90. It terms of quality I've had no probs with E90 and F30 seemed sturdy enough (with the one I was driving).

Whether it was deliberate or not (?) to make you upgrade, the standard screen on F30 looks like a child's toy after using the pro nav screen, too much plastic around the facia.

Just my 2c/p

Back to topic the M235i is looking good!
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      05-09-2013, 10:30 AM   #38
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Those that think the m2 or m3/4 will be lighter than their counterparts are delusional. The m cars are heavier and more powerful. The extra weight comes in the form of beefier suspension components, lsd, larger body work, bigger wheels, etc

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Those that think the m2 or m3/4 will be lighter than their counterparts are delusional. The m cars are heavier and more powerful. The extra weight comes in the form of beefier suspension components, lsd, larger body work, bigger wheels, etc

Rumor has the F80/F82 being lighter than the F30 through the use of aluminum and carbon fiber. There's still an unknow about why the F80/F82 have their own unique chassis numbers, with some hope that it could be an aluminum chassis, like the C6 Z06.

An M2 with a four cylinder, even with larger brakes and an LSD should be relatively easy to make lighter than an M235i with a six. But thanks for the .
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Riiiiight..maybe if you keep telling yourself that, even you'll believe it.
+1

As a driver and owner of both, I would trade in my E90 anyday for the F30...
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As a driver and owner of both, I would trade in my E90 anyday for the F30...
Do you hate steering feel?
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Do you hate steering feel?
Currently have an E82, E90, E92 and F30. The E9x generation didn't have thaaat much more feel than the F30, the main difference is the steering was more heavily weighted (less assistance from the power steering pump) and this gave the illusion of more feel than what it actually has. I think the F30's steering is too light in the Normal mode and it feels a little artificial, even in Sport, but overall the chassis balance and handling is much better than any of the E9x cars I've owned. The F30 feels more agile and eager to turn in so even though the steering feel is worse, the overall package is better and the ride comfort is miles ahead.
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Currently have an E82, E90, E92 and F30. The E9x generation didn't have thaaat much more feel than the F30, the main difference is the steering was more heavily weighted (less assistance from the power steering pump) and this gave the illusion of more feel than what it actually has. I think the F30's steering is too light in the Normal mode and it feels a little artificial, even in Sport, but overall the chassis balance and handling is much better than any of the E9x cars I've owned. The F30 feels more agile and eager to turn in so even though the steering feel is worse, the overall package is better and the ride comfort is miles ahead.
Maybe I just needed time to get used to it? I dunno. Honestly the Mustang's system as well as Porsche gives me some hope that electric pumps can be improved. For me with the F30, it was the feedback at higher speeds in bends that really turned me off.
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I think the F30's steering is too light in the Normal mode and it feels a little artificial, even in Sport, but overall the chassis balance and handling is much better than any of the E9x cars I've owned. The F30 feels more agile and eager to turn in so even though the steering feel is worse, the overall package is better and the ride comfort is miles ahead.
Not to highjack this thread but, tires make a huge difference on the F30 (or any car) in terms of feedback and turn in. I trade back and forth between the OE Continental run flats and a set of Hankook Rs-3's that I use for track days. The second I install the Hankooks, the steering "wakes up" and feels much more crisp and responsive. In addition to having way more grip than the stock tires, the Hankooks even ride better. The surprising downside to the Rs-3's is that they are noticeably noisier than the harder Continentals...I don't get that...

Back on topic, I can't wait to see an M2 in person. It could well be the "real" new M3!
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