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      10-06-2017, 12:13 PM   #45
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I have had one but it was a bloody long time ago.
Too funny, just joking here, no offense to anyone.
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      10-07-2017, 11:23 AM   #47
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But the thing that really chaps me about the BMW fob is the horrible range of the lock function. I half to be right3 next to the car (within 10') for the lock to work. Super annoying.
I've used my fob to open windows from well over 150' away (line of sight) and accidentally set off the panic alarm from 100' away inside my house (on the side of my house furthest from my driveway). Not sre what your issue is, but lack of range hasn't been an issue for me.
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Just wanted to complain. I've got full computers smaller than this.
A hand grenade is at least twice as big.
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      10-07-2017, 08:47 PM   #49
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It's curious that BMW made the standard fob bigger (F10, F22 vs. E90, for example) without changing or adding any function. I liked the smaller E90 fob better.
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If you've got large hands, the fob doesn't seem all that big. Might present a problem for the Toddler in Chief.
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It's curious that BMW made the standard fob bigger (F10, F22 vs. E90, for example) without changing or adding any function. I liked the smaller E90 fob better.
Actually, BMW may have removed a function. As I recall, the E90 fob fit into the dash and would recharge. At least what my SA told me.

Conversely, I understand that the fob wirelessly syncs with the car. Have seen the SA put the fob against the steering column to update its data.

(Shrug), not something I have made much attention to, but our X3 fob is slightly longer. Compared to my Note 8, not much to worry about.
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If you've got large hands, the fob doesn't seem all that big. Might present a problem for the Toddler in Chief.
"Fake Fob"

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Actually, BMW may have removed a function. As I recall, the E90 fob fit into the dash and would recharge. At least what my SA told me.

Conversely, I understand that the fob wirelessly syncs with the car. Have seen the SA put the fob against the steering column to update its data.

(Shrug), not something I have made much attention to, but our X3 fob is slightly longer. Compared to my Note 8, not much to worry about.
In the E90, the non-Comfort-Access car required that the fob be inserted in a slot in the dash to start the car. The slot also energized the fob’s rechargeable battery. With Comfort Access, the slot wasn’t used, and there was a replaceable, non-rechargeable battery. The two fobs were the same size.
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In the E90, the non-Comfort-Access car required that the fob be inserted in a slot in the dash to start the car. The slot also energized the fob’s rechargeable battery. With Comfort Access, the slot wasn’t used, and there was a replaceable, non-rechargeable battery. The two fobs were the same size.
That explains it, did not have comfort access in my e-90. As an aside, I thought at the time it was a silly feature. Had it in a CPO X-3 I bought a bit later and now can't do without it. (Well, I can but why?)
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Had it in a CPO X-3 I bought a bit later and now can't do without it. (Well, I can but why?)
Because it presents a significant security risk to your car being broken into. Car thieves regularly use transponder recorders/amplifiers to pick up a passive keyless entry system's near-field signal (the amplifier function allows them to do this from a distance), then mimic the frequency to get into your car.

Last year, nearly a dozen cars of several makes in my condo building were broken into using such a device -- twice in a six-month period. My 2 Series doesn't have 'Comfort Access' passive keyless entry; that likely spared me (and a pair of $400 sunglasses in the glove box, among other things). If I can help it, I will never own a car with passive keyless entry again (I purposefully left it off the option list for the Porsche I now have).
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Because it presents a significant security risk to your car being broken into. Car thieves regularly use transponder recorders/amplifiers to pick up a keyless entry system's near-field signal (the amplifier function allows them to do this from a distance), then mimic the frequency to get into your car.

Last year, nearly a dozen cars of several makes in my condo building were broken into using such a device -- twice in a six-month period. My 2 Series doesn't have 'Comfort Access' keyless entry; that likely spared me (and a pair of $400 sunglasses in the glove box, among other things). If I can help it, I will never own a car with keyless entry again (I purposefully left it off the option list for the Porsche I now have).
Keyless entry and comfort access are two different things. Keyless entry is the key fob; you open the door by key fob rather than using a physical key. Most cars have been coming with this for quite a while now; I don't believe you can get a BMW without keyless entry (I'm not sure you can get any car without keyless entry). This is what thieves exploit by reading the radio frequency when you use the remote.

Comfort access on the other hand is what allows you to open the doors without pressing a button on the key fob.
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Because it presents a significant security risk to your car being broken into. Car thieves regularly use transponder recorders/amplifiers to pick up a keyless entry system's near-field signal (the amplifier function allows them to do this from a distance), then mimic the frequency to get into your car.

Last year, nearly a dozen cars of several makes in my condo building were broken into using such a device -- twice in a six-month period. My 2 Series doesn't have 'Comfort Access' keyless entry; that likely spared me (and a pair of $400 sunglasses in the glove box, among other things). If I can help it, I will never own a car with keyless entry again (I purposefully left it off the option list for the Porsche I now have).
Knock Wood, I have never had a car broken into. Then again, I leave nothing showing in the car. Under no illusion this would protect me as the big target these days seems to be air bags. That said, I was not aware the keyless entry with comfort access differed from the regular keyless system used by BMW.
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Keyless entry and comfort access are two different things. Keyless entry is the key fob; you open the door by key fob rather than using a physical key. Most cars have been coming with this for quite a while now; I don't believe you can get a BMW without keyless entry (I'm not sure you can get any car without keyless entry). This is what thieves exploit by reading the radio frequency when you use the remote.

Comfort access on the other hand is what allows you to open the doors without pressing a button on the key fob.
Actually, both systems are defined as keyless entry:
- Active keyless entry requires a driver to actively press a button on the fob to unlock the car
- Passive keyless entry requires a driver to have the fob near the vehicle to unlock the car

"Comfort Access" is merely BMW's nomenclature for its passive keyless entry system. My post has been edited to clarify that I mean passive keyless entry.
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Knock Wood, I have never had a car broken into. Then again, I leave nothing showing in the car. Under no illusion this would protect me as the big target these days seems to be air bags. That said, I was not aware the keyless entry with comfort access differed from the regular keyless system used by BMW.
Yep: most manufacturers offer passive keyless entry as a standalone option for cars that don't come with it standard or do not feature the major options package that includes it (usually some sort of "Premium" or "Convenience" package).
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C'mon: The fob's average in size, folks.

I think many of you are missing the primary point of a fob. It's a remote control first, and needs to work well ergonomically in your hand so that you don't press the wrong button without looking at the fob. Make it too small, and this becomes difficult.

Also consider that fob size is not an issue for many owners -- particularly women who tend to keep it in their purse even when in the car. That's basically the whole reason fob covers/cases (leather, neoprene, etc.) are so popular.

What BMW doesn't offer is a fob alternative for those with Comfort Access. Lexus does with its Smart Key Card, which is basically the dimensions of a credit card and has a spare hard key, but has no buttons. It's also a $550 (IIRC) option before dealer programming.
I agree.

Have yet to get "is that a key fob in your pocket or are you just happy to see me" comment w/ mine.
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In the E90, the non-Comfort-Access car required that the fob be inserted in a slot in the dash to start the car. The slot also energized the fob’s rechargeable battery. With Comfort Access, the slot wasn’t used, and there was a replaceable, non-rechargeable battery. The two fobs were the same size.
Bummer, my e84 X1 has the e90 style system with comfort access. It still has a fob holder though, and being a prior e90 non-comfort access owner, I thought I was recharging the fob battery on the e84 by sticking it into the slot...
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FYI: Hand grenade is much larger
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If I wanted a giant key fob I would get an iphone 7, 7 plus 6+ or whatever but I have an iphone SE because I don’t want a giant iphone. Its not like the fob has a big screen to stream tv shows it just basically is what a simple metal key used to be. Those of you that carry a purse must love it.
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It's certainly larger in all dimensions than the fob on my 135IS and has no more functionality. It's not a big deal, not even the worst thing about the car but believe me, a 77 year old man needs all the help he can get in his skinny jeans.
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